Subject: (DePippo) Re (Loew) Movement Activists (fwd)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 132754 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Roy L. Beavers" <rbeavers@llion.org>
To: emfguru <rbeavers@llion.org>
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 14:04:36 EDT
From: PDepippo@aol.com
To: rbeavers@llion.org
Subject: Re: (Loew) Movement Activists (fwd)
Brenda,
Your question to the group concerning "What is this fight all about and Who
we are as activists?" is very appropriate, timely and right on point.
In my opinion, this fight is should focus on the unwanted health effects from
exposure to EMR. The issues of unlawful intrusion of any delivery system has
merit, followed by the aesthetics, also warrants attention and correction.
In general, we as activists should not be classified as ANTI-TECHNOLOGISTS!
There is just too much necessity and good that has come from these services
and tools that it would be childish for us to say or even allow it to be
suggested that we oppose technology.
As with everything in our world, no problem of this magnitude can be said to
have just one cause or one group to point the finder at. It is clear, well
beyond any reasonable doubt, that exposure to EMR has many unwanted
biological effects. Just imagine if honest and as-complete-as possible
research were performed and published, we probably would not be in this
fight. We are in this fight because of dishonest people, and they are
essentially dishonest because of money which brings with it power and
position!
This EMR fight must expose and address all the major elements of the problem.
These elements fall under two main categories....the technical ( all sciences
) and the political ( man's curruption wherever he sits ). We must no longer
permit a few to control and harm the majority. We must not allow so-called
"officials" to hind behind any of their bogus arguments like, "we are within
specification", "their is no proof", "our agency is not responsible",
"experts tell us there is no problem", "the law says we are in compliance",
"all research has been reviewed", "sorry but you cant bring up the health
issue", "X agency says that you need to speak to the Y agency and Y agency
says you need to speak Z agency and Z agency say go see X", etc,etc,etc.....
Do they really think they are fooling us? Anyone who hinders the truth or
does not do their job thus causing additional harm should be prosecuted.
..... And finally here are just a few remaining comments;
1. Although there are a lot of activists' actions taking place today, many of
them may not be addressing the real core issues BUT at least they are
fighting and bring attention which is better than not doing anything at all.
Sure I wish we could all be synchronized and more affective BUT I for one
commend anyone that fights whatever their reasons are.
2. I don't know all the players who are fighting on our side but so far there
is one that stands out. She's not perfect, no one is, but she has a firm
grasp on the core issues, she seems to have expert knowledge of who's who in
politics and the different agencies who are responsible, she seems to grasp
the scientific side of the issue, she seems to be helping a lot of people by
giving lots of accurate and helpful advice, it seems that she has been
committed for a long time and wont give up until the problem is appropriately
addressed by those who are responsible. This person is Bert Dumpe. I wish
she would communicate better and to a broader audience what exactly her
recommendations are and how we should be working together, but I guess she is
doing the best she can with what she has in terms of time, money and tools.
Before I go any further, I want to be very clear. I will not permit anyone
to misunderstand me. Bert is not the only one who deserves praise. Anyone,
and I repeat, anyone that is involved and tries to advance the cause should
be praised and encouraged! This includes Cathy, Libby, Roy, Janet, Alastair,
John, Deb, Linda, Chris, and the hundreds of others that are working on
behalf of the majority to help raise awareness and solve this global problem.
Can you imagin if we could all reach some basic consensus on the how to go
about attacking the EMR issue be it towers sitings or electronic devices.
Can you imagine if we had one site, which might point to other sites, that we
might all contribute to, which gives concise information as to "How to go
about taking action" or "Here's the scientific information you need" or
"Here is the contact group in your area" or Here are the real legal issues"
etc,etc. No one person can or should claim to be the head of any effort in
this area but rather we all need to contribute. It takes money and a few
fair-minded people to organize it. The internet provides us with an
exceptional opportunity to make this happen. We need to organize, stop the
petty arguments, stop reinventing the wheel and help one another.
On another issue, I firmly believe that there is a great deal of technical
improvements that can be made to make our environments safer, be at home,
work or wherever. As, Roy as rightly pointed out, what must happen right now
is that the public needs to be informed that, although we do not have all the
answers, there is very strong evidence that EMR exposure is not safe!
>From this, corporations need to be forced with the burden of proof, not the
public or employee. Corporations need to go further in making their products
safer as was pointed out with the antennas on cell phones themselves. If we
are smart enough to develop these technologies we are smart enough to truly
make them safe. Standards need to be set based on biological thresholds and
the device's actual use, not some arbitrary number based on "Old World
Thinking". And speaking from first hand knowledge, new mitigation
technologies need to be explored.
If I am wrong in any of my thinking, I can change. Just tell me where I'm
wrong or what I have not considered. I take no credit for any of the ideas
expressed above as they are not new.
Peter
In a message dated 4/8/99 6:25:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
rbeavers@llion.org writes:
<< Brenda:
.......I believe it is a community of people who seek the truth about
possible EMF/EMR public health hazards ... and who seek an honest
government to serve the needs of the PUBLIC, not the special interests,
on that issue.....
Roy Beavers (EMFguru)
rbeavers@llion.org................
...It is better to light a single candle than to curse the darkness...
.................PEOPLE ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN PROFITS...............
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Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 22:53:43 -0400
From: Brenda Loew
To: rbeavers@llion.org
Subject: Movement Activists
Roy, Help! I need a clarification. This may sound like a ridiculous question
and some people may actually laugh at me for asking it but what's the best
way to describe activists woring in this movement as well as this movement?
Is this the wireless movement? The EMR movement? Would activists best be
described as anti-EMR activists? I'd appreciate some feedback from
everybody. Thanks. Brenda Loew
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