Subject: (Philips) Current Flow on Water Pipes Between Houses (fwd) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 063913 -0500 (CDT) From: "Roy L. Beavers" <rbeavers@llion.org> To: emfguru@hotmail.com -------------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:05:44 From: Alasdair PhilipsTo: "Roy L. Beavers" Subject: Current Flow on Water Pipes Between Houses (fwd) Roy - some comments: >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >From: Stewart Fist >There's been a lot of discussion recently about water pipes and >'dielectric' unions. I must be ignorant here, or there's a >terminological problem between Australian English and US English. >Do people mean 'non-conductive',or are they implying inductive coupling? >----------------------------------------------------------------- STEWART IS CORRECT. "NON-CONDUCTIVE" IS THE TERM WHICH SHOULD BE USED. 'DIELECTRIC' MEANS "A MEASUREMENT OF THE ABILITY TO TRANSMIT ELECTRIC EFFECTS WITHOUT CONDUCTING"! THE EFFECT IS USED IN CAPACITORS WHICH DOUBLE THE AMOUNT THEY CAN PASS AS THE FREQUENCY DOUBLES - THEREFORE A DIELECTRIC COUPLING ON A PIPE WOULD REJECT THE 50/60HZ BUT PASS SOME HIGH FREQUENCY TRANSIENT SIGNALS. ------------------------------------------------------------------ >From: Envoptions@aol.com - Spark Burmaster >Subject: SX1: Current Flow on Water Pipes Between Houses >This is in reference to thepostings on the putting of a dielectric >union in the water service supply pipe of a house. >I wish to comment on these three issues. >1) Electrical Safety >2) Biological Issues >3) Proper use of terms to avoid confusion. I AGREED WITH MOST OF WHAT SPARK WROTE BUT FOUND SOME OF HIS WORDS HAD TO BE READ MORE THAN ONCE. I WISH TO COMMENT ON SOME POINTS: 1/ SAFETY IN MOST COUNTRIES NOW IT IS A LEGAL REQUIREMENT THAT ALL METAL PIPEWORK WITHIN A HOUSE IS ELECTRICALLY BONDED TO THE ELECTRICAL SAFETY EARTH TO PREVENT THE POSSIBILITY OF ELECTRIC SHOCK. IN MOST EUROPEAN COUNTRIES IT IS NOW NO LONGER LEGAL TO RELY ON AN INCOMING WATER PIPE TO PROVIDE AN ELECTRICAL EARTH - THIS IS BECAUSE MANY WATERS MAINS ARE BEING REPLACED WITH PLASTIC PIPES. THE ELECTRICAL 'EARTH' CONNECTION IS EITHER SUPPLIED BY THE ELECTRICAL UTILITY OR IT CAN BE A SEPARATE "EARTH STAKE" IN THE GROUND WHICH HAS BEEN TESTED FOR A LOW ELECTRICAL IMPEDANCE FOR THE ELECTRICITY (IE EFFECTIVELY TO THE NEAREST SUBSTATION TRANSFORMER) BY DUMPING A SUBSTANTIAL CURRENT (SEVERAL AMPS)INTO IT AND MEASURING ITS EFFECTIVE IMPEDANCE. (The tests are usually defined in the Electrical Regulations /Codes and Annexes). IT IS BEST THAT ALL INCOMING METAL PIPES HAVE INSULATING/NON-CONDUCTING SECTIONS IN THEM AND ARE ONLY CONNECTED TO THE "ELECTRICAL SAFETY EARTH" WITHIN THE HOUSE ITSELF. (TO COMPLY WITH THE REGUATIONS/CODES) MANY/MOST UTILITIES AROUND THE WORLD SUPPLY LOW VOLTAGE AS A THREE-PHASE PLUS NEUTRAL STAR SUPPLY WHICH HAS THE 110/230 VOLT SINGLE PHASE SUPPLIES WHICH FEED MOST HOUSES TAKEN ACROSS ONE (VARYING from house to house)PHASE TO NEUTRAL. IN ORDER TO HELP PREVENT LARGE "OVER-VOLTAGES" OCCURRING UNDER FAULT CONDITIONS THEY CONNECT THE NEUTRALS ON NEIGHBOURING SUBSTATIONS TOGETHER (THE VERY PRACTICE THAT SPARK AND KARL STATE IS A 'NO-NO' WITHIN A BUILDING) AND THIS CAN LEAD TO LARGE (I HAVE MEASURED 384 AMPS!) NET ERROR CURRENTS FLOWING AROUND URBAN DISTRICTS ELEVATING MAGNETIC FIELDS OVER LARGE AREAS. AS THE SUPPLY NETURALS ARE ALSO CONNECTED TO "GROUND" AT THE SUBSTATIONS AND IN THE CASE OF PME (PROTECTIVE MULTIPLE EARTHING) SYSTEMS AT REGULAR INTERVALS AROUND THE DISTRICT, THESE ERROR CURRENTS END UP ON METAL WATER AND GAS PIPES, ENTER A HOUSE, AND RETURN OUT FROM THE HOUSE ON THE ELECTRICITY COMPANY SUPPLIED EARTH WHICH HAS BEEN CONNECTED TO THE PIPES INSIDE THE HOUSE AS REQUIRED BY THE REGULATIONS. I HAVE MEASURED 43 AMPS FLOWING INTO ONE HOUSE IN THIS WAY. WHEN I CUT THE PIPE THE VOLTAGE WAS ONLY A COUPLE OF VOLTS BETWEEN THE CUT ENDS BECAUSE THE IMPEDANCE WAS SO LOW - SO THERE WAS NO DANGER OF ELECTRIC SHOCK, JUST ELEVATED MAGNETIC FIELDS IN THE ORDER OF 150mG (15uT) IN MANY AREAS OF THE HOUSE AS THE WATER PIPE CAME IN ONE SIDE AND THE ELECTRICITY EARTH THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE BUILDING. AFTER INSTALLING THE NON-CONDUCTIVE PIPE SECTION THE HOUSE MAGNETIC FIELDS FELL TO 0.5mG (0.05uT). A CLAMP-METER CAN BE USED AROUND PIPES TO EASILY CHECK WHAT CURRENT IS FLOWING IN THEM. 2/ - WE SHOULD CONSIDER ALL "EMFS" ARE POTENTIALLY SLIGHTLY BIO-ACTIVE. 3/ TERMINOLOGY WHEN I WAS AT SCHOOL EMF STOOD FOR ELECTRO-MOTIVE-FORCE I.E. A VOLTAGE. THAT NOW SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN RELUGATED TO "emf". LANGUAGE CHANGES AND EVOLVES AND NOW "EMF" IS GENERALLY TAKEN TO MEAN ANY TIME-VARYING ELECTRIC OR MAGNETIC FIELD, WHETHER OR NOT IT IS RADIATING. IT THEN HAS TO BE REFINED IF NECESSARY BY ADDING: SLF (UP TO 30 Hz)/ ELF (30 - 300Hz) / VF (voice 300-3kHz)/ VLF (3 - 30 kHz) / LF (30 - 300 kHz) / MF (300k - 3MHz) / HF (3 - 30 MHz) / VHF (30 - 300 MHz) / UHF (300 MHz - 3 GHz) SHF (3 - 30 GHz) / EHF (30 - 300 GHz) (the SI designators I am told) ....AND THE SOURCE! The source is important because whereas 50 / 60 Hz mains fields are "near field" concerns with electric and magnetic fields being quite separate and not mathematically related, Schumann waves (c 8 to 32 Hz) are actual radiated fields resonating in the Earth/Ionosphere cavity and do obey Maxwell's radiation equations! Maybe that difference is important. However even man-made 50 and 60 Hz fields DO radiate from long transmission lines and have been measured in space at great distances from the Earth. So, I think the generic use of "EMF" to mean any time-varying electric or magnetic fields is now generally accepted as modern parlance. It should not be used in isolation without describing the source and the frequencies involved. For example a 200 kHz long-wave radio transmitter of which we have some very powerful (eg 500kW) ones in the UK has a wavelength of 1500 metres (ie about 1 mile) so anyone within about 200 metres would be almost exclusively in the near field anyone over about 500 metres in the far field and those in between these distance - who knows! There ain't any simple answers and I don't think being pedantic about the accepted meaning of 'EMF' helps our precautionary cause. I do exclusively use the terms "electric" and "magnetic" fields when talking to people and in my Reports but EMF is a good generic term that many of the great unindoctrinated public are just beginning to cotton on to as maybe something to watch out for and be concerned about. Even the World Health Organisation EMF Project includes power frequency fields! Good wishes to all Alasdair ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Alasdair Philips (aphilips@gn.apc.org) Director, UK Powerwatch, EMC Engineer and EMF-bioeffects researcher ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Archive provided courtesy of WaveGuide, http://www.wave-guide.org Reprinted with permission of Roy Beavers, http://www.feb.se/EMF-L/EMF-L.html