Subject: Letter to Kofi Annan, United Nations Director
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 184909 -0500
From: Roy Beavers
To: Roy Beavers
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........As I said: it all depends on what the meaning of "is"...is.....guru.....
You know that infamous quote -- from the champion liar of our generation......!!!
Compared to Bill Clinton ... R~i is a saint......
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Subject: SV: Letter to Kofi Annan, United Nations Director (Kelley)(O'Riordain)(Ross)..
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 00:48:02 +0200
From: "jan Œberg"
Reply-To: "jan Œberg"
To:
The Lie has short legs (Swedish proverb)
Randy Ross asked: " `Lie´ is a very strong word. Does anyone know if
there can be legal action
taken against someone who publicly accuses another person of lying?"
I am not familiar with the US jurisdiction. In Sweden You of course
can be sentenced if one person accuse another person to be a lier at
the same time the offended person clearly can proof this statement to
be false. Well. How about a situation where we are dealing with a
scientific conflict? Does it makes any difference? No, not
necessarily. If person X says that person Y cheated because he never
in his work mentioned non-thermal effects and person Y can proof that
he mentioned that - then X could be sentenced; X:s statement was found
false.
If I say that Mr. Repacholi both is cheating and lying because his
very well documented ability to argue only in favor of thermal effects
it would, at least in Sweden, be very very difficult for him to win a
case against me.
I can proof that anyone (read R---li; in Sweden we call him
"Rappakalja" =bullshit)
who claims that only thermal effects of important exists is not
correct. To not tell the whole truth is - from a scientific point of
view - fraud. Another word for fraud is lying.
I wrote a couple of letter saying exact this to Mr. Kjell
Hansson-Mild, two years ago. Mr. Mild said the same thing here as Mr.
Repacholi says all the time. Mild responded very heavily: "I am going
to SUE You for offending me public!"
I wrote back: "Very well. You are welcome. See You in court Kjell. May
the best man win. But are You aware of that situation IF the court not
pick up Your arguments? " (Read scandal papers headlines: "Fraud lost
in court" and so on!)
(Before that I of Course undertook some discussions in a layergroup I
belong to Peoples layers - FiB-juristerna - of Sweden. -GO FOR IT,
they said. )
And furthermore. Exactly the same thing happened two years later when
the very well known professor Bengt Knave at the National Labor
Research Institute had a governmental mission to distribute money to
applicants in the EMF-researches - and merely gave them to
Psychological studies (psychosomatic disorder and not EMF was
suspect...) and other irrelevant projects. Mr. Bruno Hagi at SIF,
from the white collar union, and I pointed out in front of all the
scientists and officials gathered -This is corruption!
The powerful professor Knave directly after the session, red in his
face, said:
This time You went to far. I am going to sue You!
In these both cases Knave and Mild of course consulted their lawyers.
Result: Not a single word furthermore was to be heard from those
"offended" gentleman!
At least in Sweden, and at least in science controversies like those
described, there are a widespread right to use normative expressions.
I guess US laws not is more narrow on this point. But of course
publishing the letter in several different countries may give Mr.
R----li a chance somewhere, but I doubt it.
Therefore: GO For the letter to Cofi Annan. Could Mr. Repacholi in
court tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?
Of course NOT!
Jan Aaberg
-----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
Från: Roy Beavers
Till: Roy Beavers
Datum: den 10 augusti 2000 19:54
Ämne: Re: Letter to Kofi Annan, United Nations Director
(Kelley)(O'Riordain)(Ross)..
>.........Forward from EMF-L.......
>
>"Lies" is a strong word, as Randy says below..... Perhaps his
question about
>the legal aspects of that word would depend upon whether Dr.
Repacholi thinks
>that his "reputation" would survive the kind of full inquiry into his
integrity
>(discovery into sources of income, etc) in a better or worse
condition than
>it now is........guru......
>
>
>
>-------- Original Message --------
>Subject: Re: Letter to Kofi Annan, United Nations Director
(Kelley)(O'Riordain)....
>Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:25:02 -0700
>From: "Randy N Ross"
>To: guru@emfguru.com
>References: <39927A75.43B7443E@emfguru.com>
>
>"Lies" is a very strong word. Does anyone know if there can be legal
action
>taken against someone who publicly accuses anther person of lying?
>
>Roy Beavers wrote:
>
>> ...........Response from EMF-L..........
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: Letter to Kofi Annan, United Nations Director
(kelley)..
>> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:22:54 +0100
>> From: "Donal O'Riordain"
>> To:
>> CC:
>>
>> Dear Roy,
>>
>> The IRPA guidelines were done using Mike Repacholi as a "expert".
>> The ICNIRP was formed by Mike Repacholi who was chair for the first
number
>> of years.
>> The UK "expert" group IEGMP used Mike Repacholi.
>> The WHO now uses Mike Repacholi.
>> The EU "expert" group I understand uses him and most meetings held
worldwide
>> invite him.
>>
>> Everyone with knowledge in the EMF field knows that Mike Repacholi
>> represents the industry by adopting the worst possible standard for
the
>> radiation (thermal).
>>
>> Mike Repacholi witnessed himself the mice getting cancer, stopped
the
>> experiment short and covered up the results for 2 years. He has
admitted (in
>> Dublin) that there will be a doubling of this type of CANCER by
non-thermal
>> effects and still lies by saying his own standards are safe. He
also lies by
>> saying there are no health effects. He also is aware of much of the
>> Literature showing many other non- thermal effects and when
questioned
>> simply denies knowledge.
>>
>> I personally met him in 1998 and handed to him a letter which I
wrote in
>> 1995 which he denied getting. He personally told me he would reply,
the
>> letter contained information detailing the health effects. He did
not reply
>> to date 2 years on.
>>
>> I hold Mike Repacholi personally responsible for my ill health from
1990 to
>> 1994 and want to see him brought to Justice.
>>
>> While the Mobile phone company's and the Governments can not wash
their
>> hands of the problems created they have always hid behind this one
man and
>> his deeds.
>>
>> The mobile phone company's Engineers mearly work to the standards.
That is
>> their job. Many of whom I know personally as many of the exchanges
etc are
>> designed in Ireland, Alcatel, Ericson, Motorolla and many others
all use
>> Irish Engineers to design their products.
>>
>> It is the standards that are wrong and the man who sets them needs
to be
>> held accountable.
>>
>> We need to know who he reports to, how the WHO is organised and who
can have
>> him removed.
>>
>> Kofi Annan is a good start.
>>
>> regards Donal O'Riordain
>>
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