Subject: Fw Telephone "linemen" cancer rates (guru)(Maxey)(Lerma).
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 164004 -0600
From: Roy Beavers
To: guru
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.......Response from EMF-L.......
Whataya bet that the telephone industry has secretly studied this matter???
They, of course, have not told the public OR THEIR EMPLOYEES.....!!!
SOMEWHERE there is SOMEONE who knows..... Must we wait for that "insider"
to be "smoked out" as in the tobacco case???!!!.......guru.....
-----Original Message-----
From: Arnaldo Lerma
To:
Date: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: Telephone "linemen" cancer rates (guru)(Maxey)..
>wow, thank you Ed Maxey, and Roy beavers
>
>This observation about telco lineman is one of those in-your-face
>obvious associations that I wish I'd "thought" of, but it never occurred to
>me..
>
>This is intriguing.. Telco provides 48 volts DC through minimal skin
>contact
>of fingertips with wires while splicing telco wires, this compares
>to Scientology's E-Meter which has far lower voltage but far larger 16
>square inch
>or so skin contact areas..
>
>There is an appearance, amongst ex-members of Scientology,
>enough to create much discussion of increased
>rates of cancer death amongst Scientologists - All Scientologists use this
>device,
>lifetime exposures are thousands of hours, many succumb to cancer in their
>40's
>At this time, for example, I have two friends, ex - users of Scientology's
>device,
>dying of cancer.
>
>There is also the other fact that
>participants in this scam are discouraged from seeking medical treatment
and
>encouraged
>instead to spend much money for many hours of Scientology - all the while
>holding
>onto the electrodes of Hubbard's "E-Meter" with around 100 uA DC hand to
>hand flowing at all times.
>
>Duane Dahlberg Ph.D. & Laurence Falk Ph.D.'s study of the Stray Voltage in
>the Dairy Industry
>is another one that directly applies.
>
>The EMF studies also of course apply as EMF of any kind, induce eddy
>currents, which is especially troubling in light of Bjorn Nordenstrom's
>observations that the human body consists of distinct systems
dielectrically
>insulated from each other - current path is not necessarily the shortest
>distance through some assumed salt water filled device...
>
> Thank you so much for this e-mail list resource.
>
>You fellows are helping us connect the dots for how the most dangerous cult
>in the world operates.
>
>Sincerely
>
>Arnaldo Lerma
>{ a recent addition to this e-mail list }
>
>I'd prefer to die speaking my mind than live fearing to speak.
>The only thing that always works in scientology are its lawyers
>The internet is the liberty tree of the 90's
>http://www.lermanet.com - mentioned 4 January 2000 in
>The Washington Post's - 'Reliable Source' column re "Scientologist with no
>HEAD"
>follow link form main page to "E-Meter" pages for data on this device
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Roy Beavers
>To: undisclosed-recipients:;
>Date: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 2:42 PM
>Subject: Re: Telephone "linemen" cancer rates (guru)(Maxey)..
>
>
>>
>>......Response from EMF-L.......
>>
>>.........Bingo!! Thanks to Ed Maxey for this......
>>To think that in 1993 our government possessed such information ...
>>and has yet even to pursue the research line it suggests......!!!
>>
>>The High O.R. below is stated to be 6.6 (peak exposure and latency
>>of 10 to 15 years) with a small sample -- still ... that is a
>>sufficient ALARM for more action to be undertaken!!
>>
>>Assuming, of course, a "public interest" motivated government -- which
>>is FAR from what we actually get in America today.....
>>
>>(Many times, during the past two weeks of the "Florida fiasco" with
>>the U.S. Presidential Election, have I said to myself: Thank God!!
>>I don't have a dog in that fight...... I didn't vote for either of
>>the two "corporate$$$$$$$ owned" candidates..... MY DOG AIN'T IN
>>THAT FIGHT!!!)
>>
>>........guru.......
>>
>>
>>-------- Original Message --------
>>Subject: Re: Telephone "linemen" cancer rates (guru).
>>Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:47:13 -0600
>>From: Edward Maxey
>>To: roy@emfguru.com
>>References: <3A24EF2F.B4E4ABD3@emfguru.com>
>>
>>Hi Roy,
>>
>>Here is one such reference.
>>
>>Ed Maxey
>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>>AUTHOR: Matanoski GM; Elliott EA; Breysse PN; Lynberg MC
>> ADDRESS: Department of Epidemiology, Johns Hopkins University,
>School
>> of Hygiene and Public Health, Baltimore, MD 21205.
>> TITLE: Leukemia in telephone linemen.
>> SOURCE: Am J Epidemiol (3H3), 1993 Mar 15; 137 (6): 609-19
>> LANGUAGE: English
>> COUNTRY PUB.: UNITED STATES
>> ANNOUNCEMENT: 9307
>> PUB. TYPE: JOURNAL ARTICLE
>> ABSTRACT: This case-control study examines potential associations
>> between telephone linework and the occurrence of leukemia
>> except chronic lymphocytic leukemia in a primarily retired
>> population of American Telephone and Telegraph Company
>> (AT&T) workers. Cases died between 1975 and 1980. Exposure
>> is defined both by job title and, for workers with
complete
>> job histories, by a lifetime exposure score based on
>> industrial hygiene personal monitoring measurements of
line
>> and nonline jobs. When the time-weighted average mean for
>> each job is accumulated into a lifetime exposure score,
>> workers with scores above the median for the population
>show
>> an excess of leukemia 2.5 times higher than workers below
>> the median (95% confidence interval (CI) 0.7-8.6). Those
>> individuals with long duration of employment in jobs with
>> intermittent peak exposures may be at higher risk of
>> leukemia than those with a constant exposure level.
>Analyses
>> that allow for a latent period suggest the risk is
>> associated with exposures that occurred 10 or more years
>> before death. Workers with peak exposure scores above the
>> median have odds ratios of 2.4 (95% CI 0.7-9.0) and 6.6
>(95%
>> CI 0.7-58) for latent periods of 10 and 15 years,
>> respectively. The data suggest an increasing risk with
>> increasing exposure (p for trend = 0.05) when cumulated
>> scores are based on peak exposure scores. Peak exposures
>> tended to occur in cable splicing work and in old
telephone
>> switching offices. The numbers in this study are small and
>> observed differences may be due to chance.
>>
>>
>>Roy Beavers wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everybody:
>>>
>>> I did not get any replies to my question below -- about the cancer rate
>>> for "telephone splicers" (linemen)....... I am trying again..... Can
>>> anyone confirm the statement below; that "splicers" have a significantly
>>> higher cancer rate???.......guru......
>>>
>>> ........From EMF-L........
>>>
>>> Guru is forwarding this one to see if we have any confirmation "out
>there"
>>> of the statement: "telephone splicers have a cancer rate at seven times
>the
>>> national average." .......guru........
>>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: 2 PARTY SYSTEM
>>> Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 12:12:35 -0400
>>> From: "James Hrivnak"
>>> Reply-To: "James Hrivnak"
>>> To:
>>> CC:
>>>
>>> Your home page is great and in my judgement ON TARGET. I was sent to
>>> your home page by plhmarsh@webtv.net whose family has health problems
>>> which could be related to EMF's. I have been to their house on several
>>> occasions. I have spoken with them at length on the telephone.
>>>
>>> To date, all I can say is that federal established standards (which have
>>> recently been reduced) are not being exceeded. The Swedish and the
Leeper
>>> (Colorado) studies both show that cancer is elevated along transmission
>>> lines. Both studies showed reduced correlation when individual cancer
>>> cases were not located within the highest magnetic field zones.
>>>
>>> It is a shame that such studies are not being continued. The initial
>>> correlations are excellent. I spoke with Leeper and asked if ground
>>> currents, stray voltages, radio fields, etc were considered then or
would
>>> be in future studies? He said "no " to both questions and cut the
>>> conversation short.
>>>
>>> On the issue of stray currents, I planted some grass seed and passed
>>> currents below one milliampere through the root system. Plant life was
>>> indeed affected. See the fourth article at:
>>> http://www.theramp.net/nefta/news.htm
>>>
>>> Stray currents have tweaked my curiousity ever since I read that
>>> telephone splicers, as a profession, have a cancer rate at seven times
>the
>>> national average in all categories. A current passing from atom to
atom
>>> in the human body produces tempory ions. Ions are much the same as
>>> oxidants and radicals. Oxidants are already shown to be related to
>cancer.
>>>
>>> Telephone splicers get frequent small shocks all day long. Most shocks
>>> are below the perception level.
>
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