Subject:  Re Blue World Times Ten (Beaver)(Curry)(Philips)(Teule).
Date:     Sat, 02 Dec 2000 131622 -0600
From:     Roy Beavers 
To:       guru 
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.........Response from EMF-L......

For more on the subject matter "the bio-electric basis of life" see
the "EMF ??" file on guru's website.  The earlier messages in that file
are appropos............guru......

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Blue World Times Ten (Beaver)(Curry)(Philips)...
Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 11:32:25 +0100
From: teule 
Reply-To: teuleger@wxs.nl
To: roy@emfguru.com
References: <3A2850BF.14314DC3@emfguru.com>

Roy,

I very much agree with your point of view below. That's also why I try so 
hard to get the discussion in the Netherlands to the heart of the matter: 
the bio-eletrical system, very subtile and extremely complex, that is the 
biological basis of what we call "life", not only in humans but also in
animals and plants.  Influencing that life system with EMF gest to and 
hurts the deepest basics of life itself.


I strongly believe that this is the kernel of our discussions and it would 
be good to keep this as a central point, above any technicality. Neil Cherry 
called the bio-electrical theory a paradigma shift, and I think he is right.

Opposed to this bio-eletrical theory there is what I call the 
"waterbag-theory", where a human being is seen as a (in electrical sense) 
bag with a waterish substance, that can only be heated bij EMF.

That is the paradigma as the ICNIRP/WHO sees it. This view is very 
profitable, because it leads to rediculous high standards for radiation and 
cheap equipment (with high profit margins).  And it is very wrong and 
basicly very unscientific as well!

By the way, I find it unbelievable, that counting all the votes (as done in 
any proper democracy) is not the most simple and right thing to do. How on 
earth can any supreme court in a civilised country decide for something else?

Gerrit Teule
Netherlands.

Roy Beavers wrote:

> ........Response from EMF-L.......
>
> Having listened to the Supreme Court "doins" (and the talking heads) all
> day ... I was struck by the fact that virtually the entire context of
> the Florida case is being "argued" purely in terms of the fine points of
> the LAW......  I heard almost nothing about the rights of citizens in our
> democracy to vote and have their votes counted.......  (Gore's point.)
>
> It's the technicalities of the law, in other words, that are important.
> Of much less importance is the "right to be counted" -- so much less so
> that it gets LOST in the technicalities of the law......
>
> Someone needs to ask:  what goal is the law supposed to serve, anyway???
> Is it not the very PURPOSE of our laws (our Constitution)... to protect
> the rights of our citizens???
>
> Now -- I look below ... and I see in Alasdair's message that the same
> thing is happening vis-a-vis the "technicalities" of the public's(?) cell
> phone network and the "lost in the technicalities" discourse which totally
> ignores the public's good (health)......?????   Or ... put another way:
> build the public a perfect cell phone system -- even if it kills them.....
>
> Do you follow what I am saying?  It seems to be the nature of our
> society today ... that the "experts" get lost in the niceties of THEIR
> issues and THEIR arguments -- while the very EXISTENCE of the public
> (supposedly th ultimate raison d'etre of all social activity) gets
> ignored......?!?!.........guru......
>
>


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