Subject: Re Blue World Times Ten (Beaver)(Curry)(Philips).
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 192055 -0600
From: Roy Beavers
To: guru
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........Response from EMF-L.......
Having listened to the Supreme Court "doins" (and the talking heads) all
day ... I was struck by the fact that virtually the entire context of
the Florida case is being "argued" purely in terms of the fine points of
the LAW...... I heard almost nothing about the rights of citizens in our
democracy to vote and have their votes counted....... (Gore's point.)
It's the technicalities of the law, in other words, that are important.
Of much less importance is the "right to be counted" -- so much less so
that it gets LOST in the technicalities of the law......
Someone needs to ask: what goal is the law supposed to serve, anyway???
Is it not the very PURPOSE of our laws (our Constitution)... to protect
the rights of our citizens???
Now -- I look below ... and I see in Alasdair's message that the same
thing is happening vis-a-vis the "technicalities" of the public's(?) cell
phone network and the "lost in the technicalities" discourse which totally
ignores the public's good (health)......????? Or ... put another way:
build the public a perfect cell phone system -- even if it kills them.....
Do you follow what I am saying? It seems to be the nature of our
society today ... that the "experts" get lost in the niceties of THEIR
issues and THEIR arguments -- while the very EXISTENCE of the public
(supposedly th ultimate raison d'etre of all social activity) gets
ignored......?!?!.........guru......
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Blue World Times Ten (Beaver)(Curry).
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 08:14:03
From: Alasdair Philips
To: roy@emfguru.com
CC: "Bill P. Curry" ,Christopher Beaver
Hi folks
Chris says 50 sites + 50 more to come to cover most of San Francisco.
I am surprised that Sprint is going for a powerful mast, although
most operators like a few in any area to provide emergency cover,etc.
In London, because of the large number of phone users, the cellular
operating companies decided ages ago that increasing the power of the
masts wasn't the answer because each base station can only handle
79 or 127 calls in any one antenna direction. In fact, typical large
base-stations over here only handle about 31 or 63 calls in the same
direction at any one time. (GSM/PCN systems)
So, instead, they have masses of lower powered base stations. Typical
ERP (Effective Radiated Power) in any one direction varies from less
than 10 watts for a micro-cell to 100 to 250 W for a macro-cell, although
there are higher ERPs, especially in rural cells. The UK allow ERPs
up to 1500 W per frequency channel and up to 16 f-channels at 1800 MHz
and 10 f-channels at 900 MHz.
All the cellular operators are now saying that they need base-stations
about every quarter to a third of a mile in city and urban areas and
we have 4 main operators. If they shared all sites (which is opposite
to normal practice over here) we would still need about 15 base-stations
to the square mile.
The two high band operators are now using lamp-post masts which they
locate about every 150 to 250 metres to get adequate indoor coverage.
This is about 80 masts to the square mile.
50 + 50 = 100 for all of S.F. ?? I suspect you folks have a shock coming
soon. Masts will multiply like you have never seen before (like the N.Y.
lamp-post masts). It really is a blue and bluer world that is coming.
Good wishes
Alasdair
At 16:07 30/11/2000 -0600, you wrote:
>........Response from EMF-L..........
>
>-------- Original Message --------
>Subject: Re: Blue World Times Ten (Beaver).
>Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 11:11:07 -0600
>From: "Bill P. Curry"
>Reply-To: BPCurry@MCS.com
>Organization: EMSciTek Consulting co.
>To: roy@emfguru.com
>References: <3A267F1E.FCB7C2D7@emfguru.com>
>
>Roy and Chris,
> I don't understand why Sprint is going to such high power. I was under the
>impression that Sprint used only CDMA for phone conversations. Usually, CDMA
>transmitters are only a few watts, and even with high gain antennas, the
>effective radiated power is usually much lower than you quoted. I smell a
rat
>here. Is Sprint really trying to assure having good internal communications
>or are they planning a more massive invasion of your space for future
>ultra-wideband facilities, data transmission, etc?
>
>Roy Beavers wrote:
>>
>> ........From EMF-L.......
>>
>> High on my list of places I never want to live ... is San Francisco.....
>> .....guru......
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Blue World Times Ten
>> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 07:22:05 +0000
>> From: Christopher Beaver
>> Reply-To: idgfilms@earthlink.net
>> To: roy@emfguru.com
>> References: <3A259F62.70922F@emfguru.com>
>>
>> Dear Roy:
>>
>> We're fighting three Sprint PCS antennas to be placed on top of a jazz
>> club here in San Francisco. Several hospitals and businesses have
>> already rejected the antennas so something positive is beginning to stir
>> in our society. However, on top of this revelation, an interesting piece
>> of news turned up.
>>
>> David Hammett of Hammett and Edison appeared on behalf of Sprint PCS at
>> a Sprint-sponsored neighborhood meeting last night. He was there to
>> explain the absolute safety of cellular antennas: "five hundred times
>> below the U.S. standard." In the course of questions and answers,
>> Hammett revealed that these new antennas will have an output of 1000
>> watts as opposed to the more usual installations here in San Francisco
>> of 100 watts.
>>
>> Although Sprint has achieved virtually total outdoor coverage in San
>> Francisco according to Hammett, Sprint has now upped the ante to provide
>> total indoor coverage as well. Hence the need to radiate at increased
>> power levels. And they have not yet progressed to providing wireless
>> internet and so forth.
>>
>> According to the Sprint attorney present, some 1.5 million households in
>> the U.S. currently use only wireless telephones in the home. For the
>> sake of this small percentage, the rest of us will face increased
>> exposures from the larger antennas.
>>
>> Sprint has fifty installations throughout San Francisco and has plans to
>> build fifty more.
>>
>> Very best,
>>
>> Christopher Beaver
>
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Alasdair Philips, BSc(Eng), DAgE, MIAgE
Director, UK Powerwatch, (aphilips@gn.apc.org)
EMC Engineer and EMF-bioeffects researcher
http://www.powerwatch.org.uk
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