Subject: Re Body Degauss (Spreitzer)(Tegenfeldt)(Curry).
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 114630 -0600
From: Roy Beavers
To: guru
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Subject: Re: Body Degauss (Spreitzer)(Tegenfeldt).
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 11:09:22 -0600
From: "Bill P. Curry"
Reply-To: BPCurry@MCS.com
Organization: EMSciTek Consulting co.
To: roy@emfguru.com
References: <3A5C6D0A.417C58D7@emfguru.com>
Roy and Clas,
I welcome your carefully reasoned comments. I too am concerned about
deliberately subjecting yourself to fluctuating magnetic fields, without some
kind of risk/benefit analysis. We know, that some values of fluctuating
magnetic field intensity (at specific frequencies), coupled with a fixed
magnetic field component (the earth's field) can significantly affect the rate
of ion flow across cell membranes - hence the ability of cells to communicate
with each other. Dr. Carl Blackman has studied these effects for 10 years.
I urge your readers to consult the web site http://www.eecs.uic.edu/~emmed/
to see the program of a conference on Electromagnetics in Medicine that was
held in Chicago in 1997. A similar conference was scheduled to be held in
Toronto about two years later, but I don't know anything about that meeting.
In the Chicago meeting, which was chaired and organized by Dr. James Lin, a
noted bioelectroimagnetics researcher at the University of Illinois, there
were papers about both the detrimental and the therapeutic aspects of
electromagnetic fields from researchers from institutions (mostly
universities) all over the world. At least looking at the titles of the
papers might give readers some indication of who is doing what, if they wish
to contact experts in this area. I don't think these experiments should be
done without some understanding of the potential consequences in terms of long
range effects.
Roy Beavers wrote:
>
> .......From EMF-L........
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> Subject: Re: Body Degauss (Spreitzer).
> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 12:03:40 +0100
> From: Clas Tegenfeldt
> To: roy@emfguru.com
>
> Hi all!
>
> About degauss. The process of degauss is by alternatively magnetize an
> ferromagnetic crystal and reversing polarity in an decreasing sequence
> like +10 -10 +9 -9 etc. The net sum will be close to zero if done
> properly. You can do this by exposing something to an intense source
> of AC magnetic field of low frequency and then withdrawing the source
> or the exposed article (thus reducing the field).
>
> Since an hairdryer is an intense AC magnetic field source it could
> be used even though there are better ways (eg. a small transformer).
>
> Now, degaussing do work for metallic threads in car tires, for the
> tape recorder head, a TV/computer monitor or a military ship. It works
> when the ferromagnetic crystals are magnetized the other way for each
> cycle, but will it for a human system? We canīt say we know, but some
> reflections from me as a physicist:
>
> The AC frequency most be low enough to completely magnetize the
> material to be degaussed, it must be high enough not to allow for
> the crystals in the material to /rotate/ (which it cannot do in a car
> metall bode but could do if it is small and in solution in body fluids),
> the field must be strong enough to saturate or at least overcome the
> magnetized strength of the material to be degaussed.
>
> The earth magnetic field is 30-70 mikrotesla (static), the magnetic field
> from a telephones magnet is way up into the millitesla range, how strongly
> magnetized particles inside the body could be we donīt know for sure. One
> known such particle is magnetite (lodestone), we have it in our brains for
> instance.
>
> The degauss process /will/ shake the magnetite crystals, one proposed theory
> of biological hazards from magnetic fields says that the field is shaking
> the crystals so hard cell damage occurs. This may be a downside of the
> proposed degauss process...
>
> There is no macroscopic magnetic field from the human body as there is from
> a magnetized car tire or ship or whatever. The though of degaussing in
> macroscopic fixed systems cannot easily be transferred into microscopic
> systems in the human body, especially in fluids.
>
> If we speculate that the degauss is capable or reducing joint pain, then
> the pain should return if you magnetize is again with a permanent magnet,
> shouldnīt it? This is contradictionary to all practioners of magnet
> therapy where permanent magnets (static field) is used to "relieve pain".
>
> Since we know that several electrosensitive persons (as well as countless
> other patients of course) have undergone MR (magnetic resonance camera)
> imaging and shown no adverse effects later on, we can take note that this
> contradicts the reported positive effect of degaussing. Please remember that
> the static field in MR cameras are in the 0,5-2 tesla range, thousands and
> millions of times stronger than any other magnetic field you will ever
> likely be exposed to in your life. The macroscopic magnetic order in the
> human body that is used in the MR camera for imaging is utterly and completely
> reset as soon as the MR camera external field is gone, it is NOT capable
> of permanent magnetizing the body in any macroscopic scale.
>
> This is just my humble thoughts. People may as well try it for themselves
> and see if any pain/symptoms disappear to convince themselves if it
> works or not. But please donīt make it into a continuous habit, I do not
> think that would be a good idea for your health, not when we know that
> magnetic fields have adverse health effects...
>
> /Clas
>
> At 16:02 2001-01-08 -0600, you wrote:
> >-------- Original Message --------
> >Subject: Degauss
> >Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 11:31:38 -0800
> >From: joannes5@juno.com
> >
> >Hello,
> >
> >wonder if you'd care to comment on an Internet item describing
> >how the electromagnetically hypersensitive can relieve their
> >problem by degaussing themselves with a hair dryer. The item
> >follows.
> ...snip...
> >An electric hair drier is used to degauss
> >[demagnetise] the body. Switch on and then run the
> >side of the drier over the whole of the body. It
> >doesn't matter where the air blows; it is the electric
> >motor itself which is doing the job. This needs to be
> >done on average once a week, or even more frequently
> >for anyone who is particularly sensitive electrically.
> >The whole procedure takes less than 5 minutes.
> ...snip...
>
> Clas Tegenfeldt
>
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