Subject: Re Bond breaking (fwd)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 052612 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Roy L. Beavers" <rbeavers@llion.org>
To: emfguru@hotmail.com
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:24:17 +0300 (IDT)
From: John Goldsmith
To: "Roy L. Beavers"
Cc: emfguru@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Bond breaking (fwd)
Roy and Ed:
I like your presentation on the bond-breaking problem. Our and others
work on long-term studies of radiation exposed populations, such as those
from Chernobyl, have given us a new and somewhat more complex insight.
It has been widely known for some time that after radiation exposure
there can often be found a persistent abnormality in the ability of white
blood cells to reproduce, in the sense that there are detectable changes
in the chromosomes. Classically this is studied by culturing the
lymphocytes ( one of the types of white blood cells ) stimulating them to
reproduce, stopping the process and smearing the individual replicating
cells so that the chromosomes they contain can be located and checked for
normal appearance. This is time consuming taking about a week's work of
technician's time.
Although it has also been known but less widely, there are chemical
agents in the serum of persons with a history of radiation exposure, which
when incubated with normal donor white blood cells, which are then
stimulated etc, show the same sort of change. This takes much less time,
and has been called a "Test for Clastogenic factors." There are other
test for continuing abnormal cell replication in persons exposed to
radiation. These tests have not yet been applied systematically to those
exposed to RF or ELF to my knowledge, but shoul be. Much of the
scientific data can be found in the Monograph on Radiation and Health,
published by Environmental Health Perspectives in the U.S. (volume 105,
monograph 6, 1997) of which Prof. Quastel and I are co-editors.
The thing to remember is that radiation exposures of certain sorts,
albeit possibly breaking and repairing chemical bonds, can also leave
evidence of permanent biological change.
John R.Goldsmith, M.D., M.P.H.
gjohn@bgumail.bgu.ac.il
On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, Roy L. Beavers wrote:
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> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:52:56 -0500
> From: Edward Maxey
> To: "Roy L. Beavers"
> Subject: Bond breaking
>
> Hello Roy,
>
> Ellen Sugarman's excellent book (WARNING THE ELECTRICITY AROUND
> YOU MAY BE HAZARDOUS TO YOUR HEALTH) on page 78 contains:
> "Certain kinds of ionizing radiation - gamma rays, nuclear
> radiation, and x-rays, all of which can get inside cells and
> break chemical bonds ... are known to cause cancer." Such
> language is common in the scientific literature. It conveys
> the idea that carcinogens are agents which break something.
>
> Perhaps it would be useful to consider the matter of breaking
> chemical bonds inside cells. It goes on constantly, quite
> normally, as the body goes about the business of cellular
> reproduction. Mitosis is at the heart of this process in all
> cellular organisms.
>
> The dictionary in this computer says:
> "mitosis noun. Biology
> 1. The sequential differentiation and segregation
> of replicated chromosomes in a cell nucleus that
> precedes complete cell division.
> 2. The sequence of processes by which a cell
> divides to form two daughter cells having the
> normal number of chromosomes."
>
> DNA molecular bonds are constantly being torn apart and reformed
> during the course of cellular reproduction in the absence of
> ionizing radiation. This normal process belies the physicist's
> argument, that all carcinogens require energy sufficient to break
> molecular bonds, since life itself demands the continuous breaking
> and regeneration of such bonds.
>
> We must, of course, acknowledge that ionizing radiation (and other
> carcinogens) do distort cellular duplication enough to cause cancer.
> But this in no way proves that lessor energies are unable to produce
> similar distortions.
>
> What we really need to know is how much and what kinds of energy it
> takes to corrupt the delicate process by which chromosomal DNA is
> replicated in the magic of cellular renewal.
>
> Good wishes,
> Ed
>
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