Subject: The "way" of politicians....
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 050932 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Roy L. Beavers" <rbeavers@llion.org>
To: emfguru@hotmail.com
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Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:42:52 +1000
From: "Benson, Sarah (Sen L. Allison)"
To: "'Roy L. Beavers'"
Subject: RE: (Coghill) Re: (Curry) Re: "A Change in the Wind," EMFL-9-96 . html (fwd)
Hi
I like Bert's comments! However, it needs to be said that Richard
Alston - who made the 'gobbldegook' comment - is actually a lawyer, and
in my opinion quite capable of understanding a little physics...anyway,
he has people working for him who are not only qualified in this area -
but who are in close contact with Michael Repacholi etc. One of them
(John Neil) is the Australian parliament's rep on the EME committee at
the World Health Organisation. Our thoughts on his reaction to Neil
Cherry is that it was a deliberate smear stategy (for all the reasons
put by Bert). It worked to an extent too, because at least one person
did not want to invite him to address their tower meeting as a result.
The links between governemnt and industry are very close, with certain
scientists forming the glue in between. I have first hand experience of
all this...
By the way, regarding the 'blood pressure' news item from Stewart Fist -
also published in the Lancet is Dr Bruce Hocking's latest study, which
shows an increase in blood pressure in ten young volunteers who had
phones strapped to their heads. The blood pressure was measured as the
phones were on and off. They were not aware of when the phones were
switched on or off. Also in the same article he is quoted as saying
that he had been contacted by two women who had suffered strokes as a
result of using mobile phones.
Anyone who would like copies of this, or any of the vast array of
studies and information we have here at the office is very welcome to
send a fax or snailmail address and I will send.
Sarah Benson
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> EMFL-9-96 .html (fwd)
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> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 19:22:08 -0400
> From: Bdumpe@worldbank.org
> To: "Roy L. Beavers"
> Subject: Re: (Coghill) Re: (Curry) Re: "A Change in the Wind,"
> EMFL-9-96 .html (fwd)
>
> Roy: re the following written by Dr. Bill Curry in response to
> Marjorie,
> and expounded upon by Wolfgang and others. With all due respect to
> these
> very educated and brilliant people, and others who commented on it, so
> what!? It is NOT intelligence, but cleverness that will solve the EMR
> problem for humankind. Just read what Bill is saying below. It is
> similar
> to what Dr. Neil Cherry told politicians in Australia. The politicians
> did
> not know what he was talking about, and called it "gobledygook." And
> to
> politicians, whose only concern in life is to get reelected to ensure
> the
> continuance of his income, this engineering razz-matazz makes them
> flail
> their arms in the air and shout as they pull their hair, "GIVE ME A
> BREAK!!
> WHO CARES ABOUT *&@$%! EMR. LET IT FALL WHEREVER! STRING THE TOWERS IN
> EVERYONE'S BACKYARD, AND LET'S GET ON TO THE NEXT PROBLEM!!"
>
> What Bill and these wonderful scientists, who I'm glad are on our
> side, say
> is close to being the mechanism that causes bioeffects. But it weaves
> a
> web. Most politician, who must solve the problem and control the EMR
> situation, do not understand it. Moreover, politician's do not
> understand
> words. They only gah-gah at pictures. You know that 5th grade
> mentality the
> military uses to instruct soldiers?
>
> We need to educate. But we are taking politicians, the only ones who
> can
> correct the EMR problem, through their fellowship program BEFORE they
> even
> entered kindergarden!
>
> Bert
>
> >>>>>Please allow me to correct one misinterpretation concerning my
> argument about vibrational energy storage. My central point is that
> any
> molecule in an ensemble of molecules bathed in microwave radiation may
> itself have total stored vibrational energy in all its modes
> sufficient to
> break bonds or otherwise affect replicative behavior - even though any
> one
> mode of vibrational excitation may have only the energy of one photon
> of 1
> Ghz radiation. The reason is that there is an enormous number of
> vibrationalmodes (on account of the large number of groups of atoms
> constituting the molecule). These modes are assumed to be in
> equilibrium
> with the microwave radiation bath - i.e., they absorb energy from the
> radiation field at the same rate that they emit energy to the field.
>
> Under these circumstances you can estimate the probability that the
> energy
> in all the modes of a single typical molecule will exceed some
> specified
> level. I chose that level to be typical of a bond energy and chose the
> average energy per mode to be taht of a 1 Ghz photon. The graphs that
> I am
> still trying to get into a form to send to requestors indicate that
> the
> probability remains non-negligible even when the disparity between
> bond
> energy and photon energy is as large as 10,000 (or even more), because
> the
> probability at the energy at which the function maximizes decreses
> slowly
> with the number of vibrational
> degrees of freedom of the molecule - essentially as 1/square root of
> (degrees of freedom). There may be other equally plausible damage
> mechanism suggestions, but this is one which can be put into
> quantitative
> terms very simply.
>
> Bill P. Curry, Ph.D.<<<<
>
>
>
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