Subject: (Curry) Re "A Change in the Wind," EMFL-9-96.html (fwd) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 132502 -0500 (CDT) From: "Roy L. Beavers" <rbeavers@llion.org> To: emfguru@hotmail.com -------------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:07:19 -0600 From: "Bill P. Curry"To: "Roy L. Beavers" Subject: Re: "A Change in the Wind," EMFL-9-96.html (fwd) Roy, I think your '96 essay is superb! My great embarassment is that the organization to which I belong (American Physical Society) has made a direct and dogmatic (religious???) statement that there is no EMF problem, insofar as implications for human health are concerned. I think this is far from being proven - for either power lines or for RF. Part of the problem for me, as a physicist, is the difficulty of establishing a damage mechanism. I am lost without a mechanism, because you can model a physical situation in quantitative terms if you can hypothesize a mechanism. Then, you can compare the results of the predictions you get from this model with the results you get from experiments. If the two sets of results disagree and you have confidence in the experimental results, then you must either discard the model and replace it with a more realistic one or else (in some instances) "fine tune" the model - not the experiments - until the two agree. When the model correctly describes experimental reality, then you can further use the model to establish how low the incident radiation intensity (or power line fields - if these are the sources in question) have to be to reduce the biological damage threat to an "acceptable" level. (Who determines what is acceptable and how these criteria are derived is well beyond the scope of my reasoning.) Clearly the above illustration of the "scientific method" (somewhat paraphrased from how we were all taught it in high school) also applies to epedemiological evidence, but it is more difficult for me, as a physicist, to know how to use it, and I think this is one reason that the radiation research community (of which I am not a member - that is really outside of my primary range of expertise) tends to put more reliance on laboratory experiments than on epedemiological evidence. Another reason may be the difficulty of unravelling the truth through elaborate statistical analyses of many case studies. Most physicist's training in statistics is limited to two areas (I think): 1) statistical mechanics and 2) statistical analysis of error propagation in experiments. In my opinion, neither of these areas of training adequately prepare physical scientists for the kind of use of statistical analyses that biometricians and social scientists have effectively made use of in recent years. The memo that I am trying to circulate (with difficulty because of its graphical content) is intended to suggest one possible model that might lead to a damage mechanism for microwave radiation incident on DNA molecules in human cells. I make no claim that - even if correct - this model and associated damage mechanism are the only possibilities. I think the EMF debate should consider whether known damage mechanisms and their associated derived damage thresholds should be supplemented - because they do not sufficiently well describe the reality suggested by epedemiological studies or whether they are simply being incorrectly applied. While there may well be new and subtle damage mechanisms that have not been adequately studied, my memo addresses the possibility that the old mechaniosms may still apply, but the arguments based on these mechanisms have perhaps been too restrictively applied. Very simply put, I think there are so many modes of energy storage of complicated organic molecules like DNA, that the total vibrational energy storage in any one molecule of an ensemble of molecules in equilibrium with an outside radiation source may well exceed conventional damage thresholds - even though the energy stored in any one molecular mode does not do so. In my memo, I attempted to show this graphically and through the use of a few equations. The premise of this argument is so simple that I am astounded that it wouldn't have been previously considered. Perhaps it has been. -- ---- Bill P. Curry, Ph.D. |Physics is fun. EMSciTek Consulting Co. |Trying to make a living! 22W101 McCarron Road, |Phone: (630) 858-9377 Glen Ellyn, IL 60137 |Fax: same, but require prior notice ____________________________________________________ | Analysis, experiment design & software development | | for engineering and the physical sciences | ---------------------------------------------------- Archive provided courtesy of WaveGuide, http://www.wave-guide.org Reprinted with permission of Roy Beavers, http://www.feb.se/EMF-L/EMF-L.html