Subject: Re (Goldsmith) Re Cell Phones and Human Health (fwd) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 185907 -0500 (CDT) From: "Roy L. Beavers" <rbeavers@llion.org> To: emfguru@hotmail.com -------------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:16:50 -0600 From: "Bill P. Curry"To: "Roy L. Beavers" Subject: Re: (Goldsmith) Re: Cell Phones and Human Health (fwd) Dear John, Thanks very much for your reply. I certainly didn't mean to downplay the importance of epedemiological evidence, and I have one of your papers which I obtained from the Internet Grateful Med search engine and the Loansome Doc paper distribution program after having seen it listed in John Moulder's FAQ on Cellular Phones and Health. The reason I attended the Radiation Research Society meeting in Lousiville was the fact that Moulder convened 2 sessions related to this topic. He seemed to dismiss epedemiological evidence as being weaker than laboratory experimental evidence, and I would like to get your response about this attitude. I also have copies of papers by Rapacholi and colleagues and by Maes et el. relating to the two main points I listed as being supported by "incontrovertable evidence" because I didn't want to enter the fray about the value and use of epedemiological evidence. Interesting that this kind of evidence should be considered at all suspect, when it was epedemiological evidence that first demonstrated the link between smoking and cancer! I wanted to suggest a possible damage mechanism, because as far as I know, no one has yet been able to estimate a "safe" level to which the radiation incident on the human head should be attenuated. I see ads on the internet for various cell phone shields to be fitted over the phones or worn by the user. Although some claims have been made for 95% attenuation, the only carefully tested devices seem to me to reduce the radiation by about a factor of two. I think one can do better than that. How well should we do? That question requires a damage mechanism to be established and estimates made of threshold levels of radiation. Since a number of calculations (but not many experiments) have been published about the frequencies and density of states into which microwave absorption by DNA molecules can occur, I thought that a plausible damage mechanism might be absorption of microwave photons into the vibrational states of DNA that lie near 1 Ghz (too small for bond breaking or initiating the "unwinding" mode of the DNA molecules) and that internal energy transfer might then concentrate enough energy in one or more modes to exceed either bond energies or cause "unwinding." (Most of what I have seen in the literature treats "unwinding" as being somewhat equivalent to dissociation, so it is called "melting.") If this mechanism is significant, one could estimate the threshold level of radiation that would cause such transitions by calculating the rate of absorption of the incident radiation and the rate of internal energy transfer into bond breaking or "unwinding" and balancing these rates against the rates of deexcitation of the internal modes by processes that do not lead to internal transfer. For simpler molecules, such a mechanism would likely be collisions with other molecules, leading to either conversion of the internal energy to translational motion (heat) or else an exchange of internal quanta of the molecules under consideration with internal modes of other molecules. Do you think a similar mechanism would occur for DNA energy transfer? I have a vague recollection of haing seen a formula expressing the probability for transfering several internal quanta into a single mode (about 35-40 years ago). Perhaps it was in one of Eyring's books about kinetics of simple reactions. Do you recall any such formula? Thanks for citing literature related to my posting. I will try to get these papers. I am dismayed that the stated goal of the research program I heard described at the RRS meeting does not include trying to establish a damage mechanism. (This was stated explicitly at the RRS meeting.) Would you cite references for me that consider damage to cell membrances and intercellular membranes - especially if they include estimates of the energy required to produce such damage? I appreciate your having brought this mechanism to my attention, and I look forward to receiving additional information from you and others on this list. -- ---- Bill P. Curry, Ph.D. |Physics is fun. 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