Subject: Anecdotal info/International Shortwave-reply
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 100037 -0600 (CST)
From: "Roy L. Beavers" <rbeavers@llion.org>
To: emfguru@hotmail.com
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Hi everybody:
The world of science dismisses "anecdotal" information because it is
not "scientific." O.K., I have no big problem with that!!! But note --
because it is anecdotal ... does NOT mean it is not true!!!
It may be the truth ... simply "sitting there" and waiting for science to
pursue it.... Certainly, because it is anecdotal ... that does not mean
that the issue raised should not be pursued ... in a scientific way!!!
Those of us who have been seeking the truth about EMF for a number of
years have encountered (many times!!!) examples of anecdotal information
which probably OUGHT to be pursued, but which are not ... because it is so
easy for the "scientists" to dismiss it..... (Which, incidentally, raises
a legitimate question as to how "scientific" are the scientists?????)
Such a case, in my view, is being discussed below ... in the "tail-end" of
a discussion in which I have not forwarded all the intervening
messages...... But this one explains itself.....
Note: There is admittedly more "to think about" suggested in the message
below than the role of science in pursuit of anecdotal situations.... But
thinking about the other issues that are raised suggests to me the
question: What kind of a society is America today ... in the sixth year
of the Bill Clinton Administration???? Obviously, it is not a society
where the "unwealthy" have much representation or impact on how things
are done ... against them......
Cheerio.....
Roy Beavers (EMFguru)
rbeavers@llion.org..............http://www.feb.se/EMF-L/EMF-L.html
................................It is better to light a single candle ...
than to curse the darkness...............................................
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:21:15 -0600 (CST)
From: bijou@blrg.tds.net
To: Bertha Dumpe
Cc: rbeavers@llion.org, bijou@blrg.tds.net, gkloth@ipst.edu
Subject: Re: International Shortwave-reply
Roy, please feel free to share this with the others.
Dear Bertha,
Thank you So much for making the visit to the FCC. There are a couple of
things I wish to reply too in your note. One thing I also need to comment
on is that fighting this thing is very tiring for me. I was poisoned by
pesticides back in 1990 and have been very ill since then.
RIght now I have glands the size of half a tennis ball on my neck so I
don't think living within 750 of the transmitter is a very good thing for
me. On that study you saw which was done by Lysiak our home had one of
the higher readings of 2V/ from the one antenna and 1/v from the other (I
believe it was an "E" Rhombic and "H" Rhombic)
I am tired of being tired all the time. You might ask me "why not move"
it is pretty difficult whenm my husband doesn't feel these low numbers
are hurting anyone. I have been reading about low levels and it is
simliar to chronic low level pesticide exposures..Low levels= high stakes!
I will reply to some of the things you mentioned in your note to me. keep
on reading.
At 01:46 PM 3/16/98 -0500, Bertha Dumpe wrote:
>Ginny: I believe the site you reference is the one that employs a "rhombic"
>antenna. Perhaps it's the one in McCaysville, GA near the Tennessee border?
Yes this is the same station. Rebecca (is her name) is one my of
meighbors who recently became involved wiith this issue)
2 middle aged men died..one from an acute leukemia which the doctors at
EMroy said was caused by either an acute radiation exposure or chemical
exposure. He didn't have a chemical exposure. The first neighbor died
exactly one year and one month from when the station began running. He
was diagnnosed with the acute leukemia on a Wed. and 4 days later on
Saturday he died. That is how fast it was. The second man also died from
a very fast cancer which affected his whole body from bones to organs.
The tumors grew so fast the doctors couldn't keep up with thier findings
therefore they could treat him fast enough. The child has severe siezure
disorder from 14-20 very strong siezuires a day. There is a name for the
type associated with EMFs but the name has left me right now. They moved
and the siezures gone. THey have a Dr from Loma Linda who has indeed said
that the child's siezures were caused by the EMFs. We have another
neighbor whoo got very sick while being here who lives close to the
station alsoe. The medical field is still trying to find out what
happened to her. All they know is that her thyroid was destryoed on a
weekend she was up here. It was the weekend before the national
elcetions. We all thought the water was poisoned or something. I have
sever nerve pain in my trigeminal nerve and now since that station is
running over power again my sleep is being disturbed.
I am very concerned because I already have auto-immune disease. the 2 men
that died from cancer also had the same type of autoimmune disease which
is diabetes.
We have interference from that station that is showing upp in homes 6
miles away (those we are able to reach. Possibly it is interfering with
others that we haven't reached yet,.
In reagrds to this new type of transmission..What it seems to come down
to is that the FCC wants to see what or how this new type antenna works
at OPUR OWN HEALTH RISK! isn;t that the same as experimenting on us???
BTW< there is SOME religious broadcasting..the other broadcasting is
hate, anti-semitizm, anti-government and militia braodcasting. He is
already licsned to run another transmitter and the YAGIO antenna is
alreay there but not working as of yet we are told. Even though the FCC
was investigating they still contionues to grant him priviledges.
SOmething wrong there.
I see where you spoke with Mr Breigs. Interesting that he said that the
station is STILL being investigated??? SInce when because we recieved a
letter from Mr ENgelman saying that WGTG was in FULL complicance and that
NO further investigation was going to be done UNLESS we found new
"evidence" that would re-open the "case". ANd interesting that Breigs had
the file because I just emailed him a few days ago and he emailed me back
telling me he was NO LONGER in that division and that my only contact
would be Mr. TOm Polzin..
I believe the FCC is covering something up..WHY wouldn't they WGTG file
be in the computer and WHY would Breigs say there was still an
investigation when we were given a letter saying just the opposite?
Something si very wrong here!
>As those who tried know, getting hold of anyone at FCC via phone is nigh
to
>impossible. I don't try; just go there. I did last week. WGTG file was
not
>in the main public research room (1919 M Street). Computer showed it to
be
>at 2000 M Street in the "International" Bureau (IB); reason
for
>international in front of shortwave besides fact that broadcast
goes
>overseas. Not a shadow of the file at the IB; not even a reference
or
>listing of it. I insisted on talking to the IB chief; refusal. I just
left
>went to the 8th floor and asked for the IB chief. A man (Charlie
Breig),
>dashing by enroute to a meeting, stopped short when he heard WGTG and
said,
>"I have that file." He fetched the file from his office and gave
me 5
>minutes of his time, but invited me back to discuss the matter further.
The
>file was out of the research room because "the case is being
investigated
>for interference complaints and the site is still under construction."
THe site is already constructed..he is just adding another transmiiter.
The building where all the equpipment is in is his OWN HOUSE which also
houses his wife and **2** children ages approx 11 and 8 yrs old!
Once that 2 transmiiter gets running (which will be very soon I am told
and he is advertising for people to rent time on it) and the YAGI starts up again what ARE we going to be exposed too??????????????
We just found out that the hospital which is close by is having problems
with electronic equippment failing for no apprant reason and that Tri
County power company which is also vert close by is having interfernec
problems. But we have recieved letters from the FCC and from Frantz
stating that the interference is OUR problem and that we have cheap equipment.
Frantz has not offered us help at all so that part of the lawyers letyter
is a lie. It is true I would not let him on our property or in my home
because he was on my deck one night threatening the lives of the
president of the US and also the FBI agent which was involved with RUBY
RIDGE. ALso..this station owner has follwed and hgarrassed us and shot
towads us and called me a demon cause I got my hair cut short.
So the FBI, GBI and Secret Service and lcoal sheriff told us to nerv let
this manon our property or in our house..yet mr Breig could not
understand why when we told him..THe filters just clip into the phone
just like the phone line does. That is a no brainer..
When we first moved here my hubby asked him about giving us some filters
and we were told no..Other than the Hawkins (and that is another story)
heWGTG has offered NO OTHER PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY help with
filters..the interference problem is sooo big that he couldn't possibly
fix it all anyway. I have his certifieid letters here where he tells us
it is NOT his problem.
His license expires in the year 2002
HIs wife name is on everything. He has told us that he had to flee
Florida..I think he has his wifes name on everything for a reason.
The station is serving the area..Poeple are getting the station whether
they want it or not. and we read the FCC rule book and interntational
shortwvae falls under the same rules and guidelines as AM radion..and if
he has nothing to hide then why will he not give us the infotmation..ewhy
are his apttorneys locaytted so far from this area where it is impossible
to get to??
> Attorney says that WGTG is not licensed to serve
>McCaysville, Georgia and therefore owners are not required to maintain
an
>inspection file or make documents available to the general
public.
>(Convenient?) And more (file was rather thin for all that?s
transpired).
>(3) Several exhibits such as (a) site map showing McCaysville with
respect
>to Copperhill; (b) One yagi antenna coverage region (northwest).
One
>antenna, covering a 310 degree azimuth will carry WGTG to Russia,
Arctic,
>and past Portland, Oregon to the Pacific Ocean. The other 2 antennas
(not
>in exhibits) will cover the southwest and northeast. Since
construction
>calls for 4 antennas, the 4th will probably broadcast to the southeast.
>Note: Southwest lobe may also be operational because WGTG is heard
in
>Mexico. (4) A rendering (see previous paragraph) of the 70-foot tower
at
>each point of the rhombic. (5) FAA determination that "since antenna
is
>below 200 feet it is not hazardous to aircraft; antenna(s) pose no
air
>traffic conflict during takeoff, climb, cruise, and landing." Note: FAA
is
>ever but always concerned only about height of a tower;
never
>radiofrequency, though it is starting to whimper about RF.
Let me explain how Lysiak got away with doing that study. That RF study
was to be done with the Atlanta FCC branch being on site. It was to take
place on a Friday and Sat..On THrusday Frantz called Breig and cancleled
out saying the man from Minnesota couldn't come here..guess what?? He
came all on hs own and the FCC was NOT here because Frantz called and
cancelled..We never saw anyone that weekend around our properties so I
have NO IDEA how they took their readings.
Our home was the one that read the 2/v Ms. Sayles readings were 00
(zero)
the other homes that had the highest were Hawkins and Fox (the lady who
got sick up here)
Let me ask you this question...
If you were here in my place where there are readings (we do not know if
they are correct- p[ossibly the readings could be higher) WHAT would you
do?
I really appreciate you taking your time to go and read that file and
interpreting it for us. Isn't is rather odd that there was no record of
that file in thier computer?
Also isn;t it odd thaat they say there is still an invesitgation when we
are told there isn;t one? alot of very strange things.
Now the big question..how do we get the license revoked or an injunction
against it? Is that even a remote possibility????
>How can Garrett Lysiak get away with such a study? Perhaps the 3rd line
of
>his affidavit, notarized by Diane, explains: ?Garrett was formerly
employed
>by the Federal Communications Commission as an engineer; he is an expert
in
>communications engineering.? Probably that?s why his report says
nothing.
>Engineers are folks of extremely few words.
>Since the system in McCaysville is custom-made, I somehow feel that
someone
>party or corporation has a vested interest in this site. Can a rhombic
that
>operates in various directions simultaneously help the cellular
industry
>overcome dead zones if digital antennas are mounted on the rhombic?
The
>WGTG site looks so flimsy and amateurish it just makes one wonder why
FCC
>would license it.
>
>Bert
>
>
>
>
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