Subject: RE Anecdotal info/International Shortwave-reply (fwd)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 141329 -0600 (CST)
From: "Roy L. Beavers" <rbeavers@llion.org>
To: emfguru@hotmail.com
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Guru has additional commentary below..........
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 14:35:53 -0500
From: Bertha Dumpe
To: blancha@bechtel.com
Cc: rbeavers@llion.org
Subject: RE: Anecdotal info/International Shortwave-reply (fwd)
Janie Blancha wrote:
>>>>>Roy, its time to stop beating up on the scientists and starting
looking at the demise of funding for this area. Some well written letters
to Congress and to DOE to encourage continuation of programs now almost
shut down will go a long way towards encouraging the kind of outcome you
seem to seek<<<<
Bertha Dumpe wrote:
Janie: Sorry. We're at the point with this EMR fiasco where victims will
take no prisoners. EMR has been investigated since at least WW II when
radar was discoveredc to guide in military planes. Again revisited when
personnel in the US Embassy in Moscow was irradiated with microwaves. ANSI
standard came out of that. But industry saw the use of microwaves as a
lucrative venture. Since at least 1975 scientists have been saying
microwaves are safe, we don't know the mechanism by which they cause
bio-effects. In 1986 and again in 1990, EPA declared EMR a positive Class B
Carcinogen. Then they claimed to have lost [changed] their minds and
rescinded the statement. DOE, which is in charge of ionizing radiation,
has been designated as the primary agency to investigate EMR. To date, all
researchers funded were industry bought, and concluded "the literature is
'inconclusive'; we need more funds to study the problem." Last year,
probably influenced by tobacco litigation that shows industry knew tobacco
was carcinogenic but promoted it anyway so industry would fluorish, DOE
decided to pull EMR funding. I know the person who heads DOE funding. We've
met and discussed this very issue. He said, that researchers generally stop
short of declaring EMR carcinogenic so that research will not be cut. But
guess what? It has been cut to a dribble. Even if researchers dug into
this 1000 years, they would still conclude "the literature is
inconclusive,"
The time has come, and Congress recognizes, that it must step in to protect
citizens. The silly Telecom Act of 1996 actually helped citizens, though it
was for the benefit of industry. Right now Congress is holding 2 hearings
on it. One on high phone rates and lack of competition that the Act was
supposed to miraculously create, and the other on health issues. This is
the forum that we need; not more research. ALL THE RESEARCH HAS BEEN DONE
THAT PROVES EMR IS A CARCINOGEN!! What the general public now needs is to
be protected from it, while industry is somehow [restrained].
Guru says:
I waited for others to respond to Janie -- thinking perhaps some of you
would want to address the issue she raises -- without my input.... Only
Bertha did. Thanks, Bert, for your viewpoint....
One sure way for one to engratiate himself with the scientific community
is to advocate the need for more research funding.
So, here goes, "yes," guru says: "ABSOLUTELY, more research funding is
needed for EMF research......."
As Bertha points out above, the case that EMR (perhaps at ALL frequencies)
is biologically active (potentially carcinogenic, cancer promoting or
otherwise health damaging -- subject to exposure parameters we now do
not well understand, but which certainly are occurring in our home and
working environments) has largely been "proved" to the unbiased (read:
non-industry) observor.....
BUT: Guru would NOT EVER AGAIN be supportive of the kind of "cozy"
government/industry/scientists EMF research program we have seen in the
U.S. over the past decade or so -- particularly including the EMF RAPID
program!!!!!!
In fact, I go so far as to say that it would be a big mistake just to
throw research money at the problem via ANY of the present existing
RICH government regulators or health bureaucracies!!! Every single one of
them has far too much existing complicity and conflict of interest with
the "bought and paid for by the BIG money contributors" of the present
U.S. political system that has enabled the vested interests -- rather
than the public interest -- to dominate this EMF research process.......
Specifically, the likes of: EPA or FDA or FCC which have all spent the
last six years of the Clinton Administration trying to "hide" from the
problem by each pointing their finger at the other and saying "It's not my
job, it's THAT agency's job...." ...or....
America's other RICH health bureaucracies (NIH, NIEHS, NCI, etc.) and EMF
research community (DOE) -- which have ALL simply failed the "integrity"
test of truthful reporting to the public (the biggest vested interest of
all! ... But the only vested interest that is not represented in these
activities) ... research findings which, with greater force and clarity,
increasingly are going against the vested interests of the politically
powerful electric and telecommunications industries AND the military!!!!!
I have listed the examples of distorted reporting by the "scientists"
many times on these pages. Shirley Linde did a good job, also, in her
statement which previously appeared on these pages.... I'm not going
to list them again here now. You all know the chronical well, starting
with the prostitution of the EPA study in the Bush administration ...
and continuing through the "burial" of the NCRP draft study ... right on
up to the perversion of the data in the NCI study recently.....
....And I will not be told by the science community, "Oh, we didn't do
those things ... they were done by the 'spin-doctors' -- the press
release and press conference guys who presented those results to the
public...." Most everyone who is reading these pages KNOWS that the
science community ALLOWED those spin doctor perversions to occur ... by
REMAINING SILENT, not correcting the record, or -- worse -- in some cases,
by PROMOTING misunderstanding through complicity (even if it meant
"shading" the results of their own research to calm the concerns of
industry).....
Why would "science" do this???? Because it meant that the docile and
"cooperative" researchers would continue to be able to obtain research
funding from that "cozy" government/industry research program.
Now, Janie tells us, "stop beating up on the scientists" and write your
congressman or the Department of Energy (God help us ... if DOE continues
to play a key role in managing the research!!!) to mobilize an effort for
the renewal of the EMF funding which is about to expire.....
Honestly, Janie, (not ranting, just asking) why should we (the public
"victims") -- who have been repeatedly "screwed" over the last decade or
so by "slanted" research and "slanted reports" on this issue -- suddenly
now become letter writers and "lobbyists" to out congressmen for the need
for more EMF research funding ... if it is to be controlled and conducted
by the same "cozy" crowd that has screwed us for at least the past
decade????.... While they repeatedly failed to report (or misled) the
public about the real effects of EMF upon human health.....
I do recognize that there is (for the whole world -- not just the U.S.)
a very great need, indeed, for follow-on research to be urgently and
generously funded..... But I hereby condition any support I may give on
two preconditions:
(1) The science community must NOW, honestly and totally, TELL THE PUBLIC
what has already been learned.... It is not a "black and white" picture,
I know. It is truly shades of gray ... but NOT the reassuring shades of
gray that "science" (and your industry partners) have been
paternalistically "feeding" to the public.........
(2) Future funding must be provided and managed in such a way that NONE
of the vested industry or government corporations or agencies will be
involved in any way!!!!...... To me that calls for a completely new
structure to manage the EMF research -- one that is in now way tied to
the failed "cozy" crowd of the past......
Cheerio.....
Guru
P.S. Folks you might be interested to know that there are some
congressional offices and people on this list... Here is your chance to
TALK TO THEM!!!!
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