Subject: RE "Science" that cannot be trusted...... (fwd) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 055022 -0600 (CST) From: "Roy L. Beavers" <rbeavers@mail.llion.org> To: emfguru@hotmail.com -------------------------------------------------- Hi everybody: A couple of us had a discussion last week about "tactics." Perhaps you would like to offer your opinion........ *********************************************** Subject: RE: "Science" that cannot be trusted...... (fwd) Hi ********: Thanks for your thoughts... They are welcome.... I will circulate them to the "others" if you like.... Yes, I believe the proper word or concept here is "victims." I did not create this victims group. Industry and the government have created it.... They are the dissemblers and _evaders_ of the facts about EMF which THEY are not passing to the public.... Indeed, are misrepresenting..... They have the TV stations, "networks," really.... They have the lobbyists, "P.R." staffs, lawyers, hired "expert" witnesses.... It was not the victims who changed that EPA study..... Nor is it the victims who have "buried" the NCRP Study.... It was not the victims who "spin doctored" the NAS/NRC study to the point where -- even some of the study participants, like Dr. Luben -- described the press release and press conference as "unrepresentative" of the actual study.... Yes, ******, we (the victims) now see it as "us" vs "them." What we resent most -- is the fact that "the government" (including, so far, the "government" scientific community -- at the bureaucratic management level) is not being neutral and objective. Like our politicians who are "beholden" to their BIG contributors, the EMF science bureaucracy is playing the role of being "beholden" to the BIG money industry interests on this issue.... The government shares with industry the responsibility for the incomplete and misleading and sometimes downright "untrue" information which the media is "swallowing whole" because THEY have all the 'authorities' on their side. "Our" scientists (fewer in number, but I truly believe they have a better understanding of the scientific facts) are intimidated to the point of "public policy" impotence..... [And ... may I say ... that if they don't get over their "fear" and go public with the facts they have ... they are going to find that there will be no more funding for research on this (non)issue ... because the "P.R." "war" is clearly going against them ... by default........] I agree with Dr. David Carpenter (paraphrased) -- if this health issue involved almost any other industry but the electric industry, national policy would long since have DEMANDED action..... Keep in touch..... Roy Beavers (EMFguru) rbeavers@mail.llion.org.........http://www.feb.se/EMF-L/EMF-L.html ................................It is better to light a single candle ... than to curse the darkness............................................... ************************************************************************** On Mon, 27 Oct 1997, ******** wrote: > Roy, > > I appreciate that you want to find parallels, but I think it is an > unproductive activity if all it does is to create a vast group of > "victims." Certainly there are conflicting motivations within > governmental agencies, and national economics do play a role in many > decisions. But the question that is danced around when one sets up a > class of "victims" is the immediate versus the long term costs of not > doing research that could lead to health benefits (consider the bone > growth stimulation of certain magnetic fields) or the ability to work > around detriments if we only understood the boundaries of EMF influence. > Victimization sets up an 'us vs. them' mentality that is ultimately > most unproductive because it does not allow for negotiation. Instead, > we must search for the hard questions that demand hard answers. > > (signed) *********** Everybody: Let us hear from you...... guru..... .- Archive provided courtesy of WaveGuide, http://www.wave-guide.org Reprinted with permission of Roy Beavers, http://www.feb.se/EMF-L/EMF-L.html