Subject: (Cvijovic) mobile phones / power (fwd) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 124144 -0600 (CST) From: "Roy L. Beavers" <rbeavers@llion.org> To: emfguru <rbeavers@llion.org> -------------------------------------------------- ..........IF ... (I say advisedly) ... we can EVER clear our minds of the notion that (a) the magnetic field "dimension" and (b) the "strength" of that dimension are the crucial factors in assessing "what" is causing the biological "activity," then we may finally start studying those other "metrics" of the EMF phenomenon: such as the frequency, the spikes or "transients," the other induced fields, etc..... When that happens, it may also be that our models will begin to envision the possible role of harmonics or "resonance" as the kind of electron-interaction "mechanism" that may be involved.......Until that happens, the question/statement below seems to me to be perfectly valid......i.e., Don't get "hung up" on strength measurements -- whether of milligauss or mW/cm2...... We need to be satisfied (it seems to me) AT THIS POINT in our learning curve to be able to say: _environmental levels of exposure_ 'can produce' the results we are detecting, both in the laboratory and in our epidemiological studies......guru...... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:02:31 +0100 From: "D. S. Cvijovic"To: rbeavers@llion.org Subject: mobile phones / power Dear Mr. Beavers, I was just wondering, and I didn't know whom to share my thoughts with: As the most of us would agree, nonthermal ("low intensity") effects of microwaves are not "microthermal" (very tiny heating) in their nature. So, it is, to my opinion, improper to use either power density (mW/cm2), or SAR (mW/kg) as a measure of "radiation" (or risk), any more! One of the significant consequences of this would be that the risk (from a mobile phone tower, for example) doesn't (necessarily) decrease with distance by square, as believed formerly... What mechanisms underlay the very well known low intensity effects, it is hard to say, but some of the proposed mechanisms are likely to be related to field strength. That could give us another light to the researches with (sometimes - amazingly) low exposures - if we convert the power densities into field strengths, it would make them look "less low"... Anyway, using power densities (or SARs) prejudices that the mechanism is related to absorption of energy! I would appreciate any feedback (including disagreements) on this! With respect, Drasko Cvijovic, PECINA@EUnet.yu Archive provided courtesy of WaveGuide, http://www.wave-guide.org Reprinted with permission of Roy Beavers, http://www.feb.se/EMF-L/EMF-L.html