Subject: Re Sleeping grounded study (Ober)(Kramarz).
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 054352 -0600
From: Roy Beavers
To: guru
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Subject: Re: Sleeping grounded study (Ober)..
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 06:17:53 -0500
From: "Ronald Kramarz"
To:
References: <3A0AA80D.78E6FB46@emfguru.com>
Hi Roy, I reposted this message on another list I am subscribed to and gotthe following
response. Any comments? Ron Kramarz From: "Wes Thomas" Subject: Re: [MC]
Sleeping grounded study (Ober)..
>
> This is nonsense. The writer doesn't understand basic electronics.
>
> >approved ESD fabric with a .0025 mA surface resistance
>
> mA is a measure of current, not resistance.
>
> >new discovery. When a human is grounded with just physical contact at
> >a beach 1+ miles from the nearest electrical transmission line, the body
> >itself draws a flow of approx.. 750 mV of negative ions from the earth.
>
> mV is a measure of voltage, not "flow."
>
> >the flow of positive ions can only be coming from one of two sources, the
> >body itself [CNS etc.]or space or both.
>
> Wrong on both. The sources are ground currents from power lines and
> electrical charge between the atmosphere and Earth built up by weather. The
> current flow between the earth and the atmosphere is 10^-12 (one
> trillionth) amps per square meter on the earth (too small to be detectable
> except in a lab); the electrical field between the earth and the atmosphere
> is about 100 volts per meter, according to NASA
> (www.science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/essd15jun99_1.htm).
>
> Ground currents are a more serious source and that subject has been well
> presented on this list recently.
>
>
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Subject: Fw: sleeping grounded study
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 21:08:07 -0700
From: "clint a ober"
To: "Roy Beavers"
Think I used the wrong address first time, try again-clint-----Original
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From: clint a ober
To: Roy Beavers
Date: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 3:07 PM
Subject: sleeping grounded study
Just yesterday I found that my study regarding personal grounding was posted on
your site along with comments from others. I found the comments to be quite
interesting, but somewhat disturbing in that no one commented on the health
aspects. However, the pads we used were protected from an electrical event in
that the pads were made from UL approved ESD fabric with a .0025 mA surface
resistance and the ground wire was additionally protected with a .00625 mA fuse.
Also the pad was placed under the bottom sheet. What the pad did was to create a
ground plane in the bed. I sense that many folks concerned about EMFs are
unaware of what a ground plane is and how it works. For now that is not my
concern, but this is: EMFs are not the only electricity stressing the body. With
loss of natural ground contact by humans in the modern world the body is also
now being stressed by its own bio-electricity. Here is a major new discovery.
When a human is grounded with just physical contact at a beach 1+ miles from the
nearest electrical transmission line, the body itself draws a flow of approx..
750 mV of negative ions from the earth. This can only occur if there is a flow
of 750 mV of positive ions on the body coming from another source.With no EMFs
being present on the body the flow of positive ions can only be coming from one
of two sources, the body itself [CNS etc.]or space or both. The fact that this
flow is continuous and occurring naturally implies that throughout 200 million
years of evolution, being grounded played a major role in how the body
neutralizes bio-electricity and protects itself from extraneous electrical
influences. Do modern insulative shoes, carpets and living environments effect
natural health? Does loss of ground allow EMFs to electrify the body? Are there
other underlying stress factor that are being missed by the scientific community
in the study of the biological effects from exposure to electricity? The purpose
of the study and the surfacing of this information was to raise a flag
suggesting to the sometimes confused scientific community and a world of
stressed folks in ill health that something fundamental has change in the body,
we are now disconnected from our 200 million year old natural bioelectical
protection system and have now allowed the body to become electrified by both
our own bioelectricity and EMFs. Also to provide what may be a cause for the
hundreds of ill health conditions that are currently listed as unknown, like a
host of auto immune diseases etc, etc, etc. Back to the real world, got to go
round up a herd of cows, love your site, anything I can do to help out let me
know. Best, Clint
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Hi Roy, I reposted
this message on another list I am subscribed to and gotthe
following response. Any comments? Ron
Kramarz From: "Wes Thomas" <west@sonic.net>Subject:
Re: [MC] Sleeping grounded study (Ober)..
>
> This is nonsense. The writer doesn't understand basic electronics.
>
> >approved ESD fabric with a .0025 mA surface resistance
>
> mA is a measure of current, not resistance.
>
> >new discovery. When a human is grounded with just
physical contact at
> >a beach 1+ miles from the nearest electrical transmission
line, the body
> >itself draws a flow of approx.. 750 mV of negative ions from
the earth.
>
> mV is a measure of voltage, not "flow."
>
> >the flow of positive ions can only be coming from one of two sources,
the
> >body itself [CNS etc.]or space or both.
>
> Wrong on both. The sources are ground currents from power lines and
> electrical charge between the atmosphere and Earth built up by weather.
The
> current flow between the earth and the atmosphere is 10^-12 (one
> trillionth) amps per square meter on the earth (too small to be detectable
> except in a lab); the electrical field between the earth and the
atmosphere
> is about 100 volts per meter, according to NASA
> (www.science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/essd15jun99_1.htm).
>
> Ground currents are a more serious source and that subject has been
well
> presented on this list recently.
>
>
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from EMF-L........
-------- Original Message --------
Think I used the wrong address
first time, try again-clint-----Original Message-----
From: clint a ober <CLINTOBER@prodigy.net>
To: Roy Beavers <rovbeavers@emfguru.com>
Date: Wednesday, November 08,
2000 3:07 PM
Subject: sleeping grounded
study
Just yesterday I found that
my study regarding personal grounding was posted on your site along with
comments from others. I found the comments to be quite interesting, but
somewhat disturbing in that no one commented on the health aspects.
However, the pads we used were protected
from an electrical event in that the pads were made from UL approved ESD
fabric with a .0025 mA surface resistance and the ground wire was additionally
protected with a .00625 mA fuse. Also the pad was placed under the bottom
sheet. What the pad did was to create a ground plane in the bed. I sense
that many folks concerned about EMFs are unaware of what a ground plane
is and how it works. For now that is not my concern, but this is:
EMFs are not the only electricity stressing the body. With
loss of natural ground contact by humans in the modern world the body is
also now being stressed by its own bio-electricity. Here
is a major new discovery. When a human is grounded with just physical contact
at a beach 1+ miles from the nearest electrical transmission line, the
body itself draws a flow of approx.. 750 mV of negative ions from the earth.
This can only occur if there is a flow of 750 mV of positive ions on the
body coming from another source.With no EMFs being present on the body
the flow of positive ions can only be coming from one of two sources, the
body itself [CNS etc.]or space or both. The fact that this flow is continuous
and occurring naturally implies that throughout 200 million years of evolution,
being grounded played a major role in how the body neutralizes bio-electricity
and protects itself from extraneous electrical influences. Do
modern insulative shoes, carpets and living environments effect natural
health? Does loss of ground allow EMFs to electrify the body? Are there
other underlying stress factor that are being missed by the scientific
community in the study of the biological effects from exposure to electricity?
The purpose of the study and the surfacing of this information
was to raise a flag suggesting to the sometimes confused scientific community
and a world of stressed folks in ill health that something fundamental
has change in the body, we are now disconnected from our 200 million year
old natural bioelectical protection system and have now allowed the body
to become electrified by both our own bioelectricity and EMFs. Also to
provide what may be a cause for the hundreds of ill health conditions that
are currently listed as unknown, like a host of auto immune diseases etc,
etc, etc. Back to the real world, got to go round
up a herd of cows, love your site, anything I can do to help out let me
know. Best, Clint
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