Subject: Re (Fist) Re "A marked deck....." (fwd)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 050019 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Roy L. Beavers" <rbeavers@llion.org>
To: emfguru@hotmail.com
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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 13:55:27
From: Alasdair Philips
To: "Roy L. Beavers"
Cc: Stewart Fist
Subject: Re: (Fist) Re: "A marked deck....." (fwd)
Stewart
You write:
"According to Ross Adey, "Liburdy's initial observation of 12mG 60 Hz field
inhibition of melatonin's regulation of human breast cancer cell growth has
been beautifully confirmed (not "replicated") by Blackman at EPA and Luben at
UC Riverside."
"Unless there's been a true replication, I think it is important that we don't
leave open such overstated claims to attack."
........
Yes, we MUST not get the words we use wrong, BUT actually Liburdy's work
has now been 'confirmed' by many other labs and it is QUITE WRONG for the
NIEHS to exclude important work by using the excuse that it hadn't been
EXACTLY replicated - in fact, often work which is taken as "exact"
replication - isn't because they haven't controlled for the Earth's
geomagnetic field which varies greatly around (even) the USA (important
if any of the EMF 'resonance' theories have any validity); often they
haven't even controlled for the electric field component (yes, really!).
Many other important studies which supported each other but hadn't "been
exactly replicated" were also left out by the NIEHS selection protocol.
Many studies that DO get replicated are actually the dubious ones and it is
a subtle way for the industry (etc) to adversely influence good science.
Alasdair
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Alasdair Philips (aphilips@gn.apc.org)
Director, UK Powerwatch,
EMC Engineer and EMF-bioeffects researcher
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At 05:31 20/09/98 -0500, you wrote:
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>......I happily accept the correction from Stewart Fist (and Ross
>Adey).......guru.......
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>Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 19:41:03 +1000
>From: Stewart Fist
>To: "Roy L. Beavers"
>Subject: Re: "A marked deck....."
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>Roy, you state:
>> Wayne, the situation as I have seen it (at NIEHS) is that they are
>> not even willing to acknowledge solid, double blind, replicated lab
>> experiments (like the work done on melatonin by Liburdy) when it produces
>> results which do not conform with their EXPECTATIONS.
>
>While agreeing with your sentiments, and not wanting to nit-pick ... I don't
>want to let a mistake you've made here be taken up and circulated widely.
>
>According to Ross Adey, "Liburdy's initial observation of 12mG 60 Hz field
>inhibition of melatonin's regulation of human breast cancer cell growth has
>been beautifully confirmed (not "replicated") by Blackman at EPA and Luben at
>UC Riverside."
>
>Unless there's been a true replication, I think it is important that we don't
>leave open such overstated claims to attack.
>
>==============
>Stewart Fist - writer and columnist
>See http://www.theaustralian.com.au/techno/columns/fist.htm
> http://www.abc.net.au/http/sfist/ (some archives)
> http://www.electric-words.com (main archives)
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