Subject: Another Pave Paws!!! (Kopitchinski)....
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 041353 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Roy L. Beavers"
To: emfguru
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Dan:
.......This message is becoming long. But let us keep it all
together -- at least this one more time -- because it has all
come about during the long weekend when many of our U.S. readers
have been off the net. By reading down through this one message,
they can now get the picture...... And there are many "out there"
who can help in various ways...... We want to hear from them.....
The Pave Paws 'people' are out there.....
As Dan says so well: "Most people don't believe there is a threat
... if they cannot see it.".... Still, Dan, you must help them LISTEN
to Dr. Goldsmith!!...... He is the man with Mother Nature's secret,
unlocked in his heart.....
He is the man who knows that the most **minute** RF or microwave (or ELF)
"signal" -- if it "disturbs" the normal electron behavior of a human cell
-- can cause that cell to malfunction in such a way as to start a
biological "chain reaction" (from cell to cell to cell) that can lead to
immune deficiency, cancer and other human health problems.....
No, it cannot be seen -- and we certainly don't know (yet) the "path"
or "paths" of that chain reaction as it transports itself through our
biological system -- but its EFFECT can be observed via one of the
'earliest' methods of scientific inquiry known to mankind: epidemiology.
.....And Dr. Goldsmith is one of the world's foremost epidemiologists....
Tell your people to listen to what he has to say..... Tell them to listen
to his experience and "God-given" insight.... He is "Mother Nature's"
messenger..... And -- as guru has written below -- may he be granted
the time to finish his work............
Cheerio......
Roy Beavers (EMFguru)......
rbeavers@llion.org.......
.....It is better to light a single candle than to curse the darkness.....
EMF-L web-site can be found at:
EMF-L archives can be found at:
..................PEOPLE ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN PROFITS..................
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 11:01:49 +0300
From: Daniel Kopitchinski
To: "Roy L. Beavers"
Subject: Re: This could be a world first!!! (Chipps) (Kopitchinski)....
Dear Mr. Beavers: Thank you for your reply. I had the same response as
you with respect to the public officials here. There are groups of
individuals and communities that are saying no to the cellular antennae
but they are fewer than those that say yes.
The telephone companies (Cellcom, Pelephone and Orange/Partner) enter our
communities like thieves in the night. They pay enormous amounts of money
to individuals to put antennas on their land or homes. We have antennas on
community centers, public housing, hotels, hospitals, you name the place
its there. Recently, Orange/Partner came to our community. I asked them
who they were and what they wanted. They said they were photographers
who came to photograph the view. Alas, they had no photographic
equipment. Later they told our local council that if we did not allow
them to put up their antenna here (approximately 1/2 kilometer from the
closest home), that they would go to our neighboring land and the antenna
would be 200 meters away. They said the choice is yours.
What choice?
The cell companies have been given the full authorities as the regular
telephone companies have(Bezek) by the ministry of telecommunications.
Unfortunately, the media does not pay enough attention and the
financial gain for individuals and corporations outweighs the concern for
public safety.
Most people don't believe there is a threat if they cannot see it. I
would be glad to discuss at a later time responses of public officials in
Israel. I have met with many of them personally as a member of the
Menashe region's official committee against the planned radar
installation. Our understanding is it will be similar to Pave Paws in the
U.S. only outside our windows instead of a few miles away.
Dr. Goldsmith was helping us as much as possible given his health
condition. When we were searching for experts to help our cause we were
overwhelmed to learn that a man of his calibre, status and reputation was
living right here. Many of the public officials and members of the
military panel have tried to discredit him and all "internet" information.
Due to his weakened state he cannot be with us a full force but we have
gone to Beersheva to meet with him in his home and he has written his
expert recommendation for our use in a Supreme Court hearing should
there be one. [......May -- whatever "God" there is -- grant this man
the time to finish his work.......guru.......]
It was however decided that for the time being there would be no
supreme court hearing but rather a private committee (a panel picked by
the military) to decide our fate due to the "security issues".
We are desperately seeking any help on material related to Pave Paws,
Skirunda in Latvia, etc and such installations.
When discussing the blue world, we are engulfed over here. Thank you for
your time and attention. I remain,
Cyd
"Roy L. Beavers" wrote:
> .......I don't exactly know why -- but somehow I have expectations of
> a higher degree of integrity and public consciousness on the part of
> public officials in Israel than in other countries.......
>
> So ... this report is very disappointing.....
>
> Except for one thing!! It seems that Dr. Goldsmith is back!?!?
>
> Cheerio.....
>
> Roy Beavers (EMFguru)......
> rbeavers@llion.org.......
> .....It is better to light a single candle than to curse the darkness.....
> EMF-L web-site can be found at:
> EMF-L archives can be found at:
> ..................PEOPLE ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN PROFITS..................
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 00:10:33 +0300
> From: Daniel Kopitchinski
> To: "Roy L. Beavers"
> Subject: Re: This could be a world first!!! (Chipps)
>
> I would like to question the statement by Mandi with regard to the Minister of
> Telecommunications in Israel being on their side. I am an American who is
> also a citizen of Israel, currently involved in a citizens battle with regard
> to a very very powerful microwave antenna that the military is planning to put
> 350 meters away from our homes and from a very large state psychiatric
> hospital which houses hundreds of mentally ill and mentally disabled
> patients. Our experts have told us that such an Antenna should not be within
> 2-5 kilometers of living beings. (our experts include Professor John
> Goldsmith, Dr. Hyland, etc., etc.)
>
> To date our Ministries, the ministry of health, the ministry of the
> environment, the ministry of security, etc. have all agreed to the site.
> Those individuals that did not agree, were soon to change there tune. So far
> not one cabinet member has been willing to help our cause.
>
> Also, the individuals incharge of radiation issues and licencing of antennas
> for cellular phones are completely on the side of the telecommunications
> industry here which has recently hired Pres. Clinton's public relations people
> to conduct a major campaign over here on "how safe it all is". Our minister
> of the environment, recently went on air to say that after looking into the
> matter, there is nothing for the public to worry about. So where is this
> telecommunications person? I recently attended a major conference over here
> on the issue. All major playors were there. I thought the whole thing was
> one big public relations deal for the cellular phone companies.
>
> Our case with regard to the military is even more sensitive. There are many
> things we are not allowed to discuss, as not to divulge military secrets.
> Also, this project is being funded by the American government. I would like to
> know where in America it is allowed to put such an installation next door to a
> hospital and a residential community.
>
> So, as to Mandi's comment about someone high up in Israel being on the
> appropriate side, if there is, please let us in on it.
>
> Thank you. I remain,
> Sincerely, Cyd
>
> "Roy L. Beavers" wrote:
>
> > .......Mandi, this sounds very encouraging indeed!! I hope everyone
> > will jump in and provide the assistance and info requested....
> >
> > As to the "bit" about the FCC contributing 'honest info' to your cause,
> > Mandi???
> >
> > I would like to think that might happen! But, here in the U.S. they
> > have a record of "speaking with forked tongue." Ask the folks at
> > Lookout Mountain..... I would 'warn' your South African friends
> > not to expect much by way of honesty or candor from the FCC,
> > officially.... They may say anything for "P.R." consumption, but
> > perhaps not if they think it might get back to the U.S...... Which it
> > sure will.....!!!
> >
> > Here in the U.S., the FCC has dedicated itself to: protecting the
> > telecom industry....!!! Al Gore's BIG $$$$$$ contributors.....
> >
> > Keep us informed about Sweden..... We have not heard anything about
> > that yet -- on EMF-L......
> >
> > Cheerio.....
> >
> > Roy Beavers (EMFguru)......
> > rbeavers@llion.org.......
> > .....It is better to light a single candle than to curse the darkness.....
> > EMF-L web-site can be found at:
> > EMF-L archives can be found at:
> > ..................PEOPLE ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN PROFITS..................
> >
> > .........DO YOU KNOW OF OTHERS WHO SHOULD BE ON THIS LIST??????...........
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 19:01:59 +0200
> > From: Radiation Cellutions
> > To: roy beavers
> > Subject: This could be a world first!!!
> >
> > Dear Roy.
> >
> > A couple of months ago,The South African Telecommunications Regulatory
> > Authority, requested that our company(Radiation Cellutions) give a
> > presentation to the board of Directors, Councilors, Managers etc. of
> > SATRA re - the cell phone health debate. After a hour and a half
> > presentation of the facts - i.e. all of the positive findings, a full
> > explanation of non ionizing radiation and exactly how a cell phone works,
> > a copy of the European Union proposal, lists of symptom sufferers in SA
> > and and reports of new developments around the globe - we had a room full
> > of very concerned decision/law makers.
> >
> > SATRA has recently met with the FCC and enquired if they have made
> > policy regarding safety. The FCC members stated that although they have
> > not made specific policy, they do believe in precaution (?) (perhaps you
> > can fill me in a bit more.) SATRA then informed the FCC that they will be
> > making policy regarding this issue as they are very concerned. (most of
> > the SATRA members have typical cell phone symptoms)
> >
> > So here's the thing....
> >
> > I am still needing some finer details, but the plan is that, sometime in
> > October, Radiation Cellutions plus our two existing Networks (MTN and
> > Vodacom) plus all of the candidates for the 3rd license, will present
> > their views on the health issue plus other areas of importance. Rumour
> > has it that the 3rd license candidates are wanting to push safety as a)
> > they have a moral issue with it, b) they see it as a marketing edge,c)
> > they do not want a law suit in the future, the idea being, if we warned
> > you in the beginning and did every thing in our power to limit your
> > exposure, you shouldn't sue us. MTN and Vodacom will bring in their
> > "expert" scientist or professor to argue that cell phones and towers are
> > safe and that we are simply scare mongering etc.MTN and Vodacom have
> > enough money to fly in the "best" paid for expert available to them, we
> > on the other hand do not!!
> >
> > We would love to fly in Alasdair Philips and Dr. Neil Cherry and anyone
> > else willing.(hello again Alasdair, have you had a chance to read our
> > criticized paper yet?) We are trying to arrange funding (and I am trying
> > to get exact dates for this hearing) If we can arrange funding for air
> > flights and accommodation -excellent, if not we are horribly short of
> > experts in SA and this opportunity may pass us by.It will then be a case
> > of, the opinion of a company selling a shielding product Vs an
> > independent scientist.
> >
> > The Sweden cell phone health conference is on the 16th of this month, if
> > we can draw up a policy document in time - stating everything that you
> > have been fighting for, for so long now, we can courier it over to Sweden
> > and have every scientist, doctor etc attending sign the document. Adding
> > the muscle to our plea.
> >
> > If SATRA do enforce a policy regarding safety - towers in schools, parks
> > etc. could be pulled down, Microshields (endorsed by Alasdair Philips,
> > Neil Cherry, Roger Coghill, Rex Keddy(SA) etc) could be given away to
> > every cell phone user, warning signs could be put on cell phones,car kits
> > properly installed with the aerial on the roof or boot,could be
> > mandatory. Gimmick shielding products taken off the shelves, our people
> > educated via TV, radio, school presentations etc.
> >
> > So, fellow EMF concerned individuals - I need you to email me with a list
> > of what you believe should be policy regarding safety with cell phones
> > and towers. If you can justify your requests with scientific back up,
> > existing policy with various councils etc.If you can write to me in point
> > form, with references attached to each point, we can get cracking.
> >
> > Wolfy, what is the Minister of Telecommunications in Israel up to these
> > day's? Has there been any progress? (Roy, the Minister is on our side!!)
> >
> > If any one has any more ideas that may be of assistance, please let me
> > know.
> >
> > We should all try get as much press coverage from this as possible.
> > (although recent experience with the two leading newspapers in
> > SA has me believing that the editors have been threatened b
> > y their best advertisers - MTN and Vodacom)
> >
> > My e mail add again radiation@iafrica.com
> >
> > Yours
> >
> > Mandi Chipps
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