Subject: EMF and living beings (fwd)
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 055008 -0600 (CST)
From: "Roy L. Beavers" <rbeavers@mail.llion.org>
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Hi everybody:
We are resubmitting Gerrit Teule's discussion (abridged) below, "EMF
and living things." It seems to fit in with some other very interesting
material guru has been receiving (including from Mike Milburn, Jim Beal
and Jim Lee of this group) ... and with the contents of a very
interesting book we have been reading: VITAL DUST (Life As A Cosmic
Imperative) by Christian de Duve, published in 1995.
What these sources have in common is that, one way or another, they are
all looking at life, itself, as a chemical (or electro-chemical) process
.. governed by the activity of the electrons in the molecules of our
cells.
Some "modernists" might say, "Well, that's just the 'free radical' process."
But (while "free radicals" are pertinent) we think much more than that is
contained in the discussions we have been reading.
Jim Beal, in a posterboard paper presented at the San Antonio meeting in
November, discusses the influence of EMF on the "liquid crystal condition"
(LC) of life. The "precariously balanced structure of lipoproteins"
(which he calls the liquid crystal condition of life) has been a part of
life since its origin, he argues, and is life's vulnerable point. "If
electric and magnetic fields were involved with the formation of life
[itself]," he writes, "then these fields should still influence
those diffuse but essential processes that were available to life at that
time."
"There is strong evidence that lipids and lipoproteins are invlolved with
other basic life processes relevant to ELF field interactions." He mentions
the "rythmicities in heart cells" and "the intense attraction of
peripheral nerves" as among some other bodily functions that are
vulnerable to this LC/EMF interaction phenomenon. He seems to be
pinpointing the possible explanation of the "electro-sensitivity" group
of illnesse as well as possibly the more serious cancer (and nervous system)
associations.
Two things about these submissions from Beal and Teule: First, the
connection to the EMF phenomenon is obvious. Second, (which guru finds
the more interesting) these concepts are not new!
In various forms, this approach which links EMF to the very "nature" of life
has been "around" since at least the time of Mesmer in the 18th century.
But it has repeatedly been disdainfully rejected by the "conventional
wisdom" scientific community -- at least in the U.S.
Particularly by the medical and physics communities which took,
selectively, the pharmacological road and the "physical matter" road in
their approaches to the treatment of life's maladies.
It seems that there may be another road! The ***bio-electrochemical***
road.
Elsewhere, in Russia for example, these bio-electrochemical concepts have
been much more seriously studied -- and accepted. Though the bonehealing
work of Becker (author of "The Body Electric") in the U.S. has been
internationally recognized. (While at home, he has been "Siberia-nized".)
Guru knows that he is way over his head in trying to discuss this subject
with the group. But we do have people who are qualified!! Witness the
Gerrit Teule submission below.
We do hope -- and invite -- those of you who can enlighten us in this
area ... please do so! ***Just do the best you can to communicate in a
non-technical language.*** We continue to hold the primary mission of
the EMF-L group as the exposure and education of the lay public to the truth
about EMF. We do not accept the notion -- widely promoted in some
industry and governmental circles -- that EMF is just too complicated
for the public to deal with until we (the "experts") have decided what
you should know or what you should do.
Guru believes that such a discussion will begin to get the group *seriously*
into the all-important "mechanism" issue of the EMF debate -- which is
about where the scientific community is today.
[Footnote: Mike Milburn (of our group) suggested this same discussion to
guru months ago. It was he who told guru of the 18th century physician,
Franz Anton Mesmer, who first began treating his patients with magnets.
His treatments ignited controversy first in Vienna and then in Paris.
Still, he was asked by the French King to train several govenmental
appointees in his methods. But first, his enemies at the court
succeeded in having an "Academy of Science" (which included the
American, Benjamin Franklin) appointed to "investigate" his work.
Predictably, the critical report produced by this group (***Does that
remind you of anything???***) "disgraced" Mesmer in the politics of the
court. He and his magnetic treatments were finished for that time.]
Let us look again ... at what Gerrit Teule is saying below.
Roy Beavers (EMFguru)
rbeavers@mail.llion.org
http://www.feb.se/EMF-L/EMF-L.html
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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 09:12:01 -0600 (CST)
From: Gerrit Teule
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: EMF and living beings
Ladies, Gentlemen,
At present I'm finishing a book (ca. 250 pages) about the French
scientists Pierre Teilhard de Chardin and Jean Charon, and some results
of the Chaos theory. Both French scientists came to the conclusion that
life and spirit are attached to the smallest particles. Especially
Charon came in his Complex Relativity theory (published in 1977) to the
conclusion, that electrons play a very important role there. He created a
new word: psycho matter. There is the important contact point with EMF.
In scientific circles these thoughts received at that time (I speak about
the seventies and the eighties) the same attitude as EMF, varying from
"nonsense" to complete ignorance (though, Charon was a recognized
professor in several American, Canadian and French universities).
Indeed, EMF and these theories are very much interrelated.
The exiting thing about this is, that we now can explain logically,
straight from the theory, how subtle electromagnetic fields influence
the connection between mind and matter. It explains how EMF can brake
down the immune system against illness. According to this theory the
influence is very slow and subtle (one doesn't drop dead while using
the cellular telephone). Anyway, it is much more subtle than research
shows. The real effects can range from lowering the immune system, wrong
growth of cells (cancer), damage to DNA, the illness ME (fatigue
syndrome), MS (Multiple Sclerose), but also light problems like 'not
feeling well today', etc. etc. Even AIDS might have a connection to this.
I guess that some of you people will be interested, since this puts a
foundation under the discussions on EMF. So please tell me, what to do
next. I hope to publish my book next year, but there is much more to it
than just a book in a tiny country like the Netherlands. I would like to
start a broad discussion on this subject. Can you help me?
Gerrit Teule
The Netherlands
Just for the record. I'm a retired IBM employee (54), specialized in Management
Informatics, and with a strong interest in philosofy, science of nature,
medical sciences, art etc. All these things get a new content regarding
the theory above.
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Guru believes there is something worthwhile here to explore. Perhaps we can
develop it during the course of the next year.
MERRY CHRISTMAS to all!!!!!
Guru
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Subject: Year-End 1996, Happy New Year!!!!!!!!!
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Hi everybody:
It has been a couple of months since we updated you with our status --
number of participants, etc. We would like for this message to accomplish
that and perhaps one other thing -- stir everyone into a more
"participatory" mood for the coming year.
You see, we now have 140 members in EMF-L!! That is great! It is more
than a hundred more than we had at this time last year. But we still have
about the same twenty-or-so number of contributors.
It is not that we have any real objection to the large number of people
who just "listen." It is rather that we know from experience that many of
you are holding back for no reason at all, really!!!
There are, of course, those few who worry about their job or some other
such "politically correct" concern ... should it become known that you
are a part of this group. No kidding!! For example, we now have only one
participant from Australia. (We had reached a level of four). One of
those who left advised guru that "the word was out down under" -- stay
away from EMF-L and the guru if you don't want to jeopardize your
(professional??) "status" ... or something like that. (Now we know how
READERS DIGEST must feel.)
Unfortunately, we didn't keep that message.... Thought about forwarding it
to the whole group but that wouldn't have been fair to the sender. So,
we just have to say to that intrepid soul (if he is still "listening"
anywhere) -- "Thanks for tipping us off."
Anyway, if your problem is like the fellow from Australia ... we understand
why you are not participating. But most of you -- we're sure -- don't face
such cataclysmic consequences if you speak up and say what you think ...
or ask that question you are afraid will be seen as "dumb." There are no
"dumb" questions. Maybe "dumb" answers ... but not questions!!
So ... let us hear from you!!!!!! In 1997!!!!!!!
Remember ... this group exists to serve the lay-public, that great mass
of people who are not (and never will be) "experts". We need our experts,
too, of course ... to keep our information accurate and up to date. We
appreciate their participation very much! But, while we probably
can't can't teach them anything, we surely do appreciate their
willingness to teach the rest of us.
Reading the above, one might conclude that guru is dissatisfied with our
progress this past year?? Not so!!!! We have had a really great year.
But ... naturally ... we want 1997 to be even better. That is the American
Creed, isn't it? The next year ... the next President ... the next
generation ... can always be better!!! In truth, we suspect that is a
Creed universally pursued all over the world!
************
Well ... here are some numbers you will find of interest:
Total EMF-L participants (as of 12/26/96) -- 140
Total non-U.S. participants -- 59 (in 22 countries) as below --
Sweden -- 16
Canada -- 8
Germany -- 5 (In the past, we mistook "de" for Denmark -- wrong! Germany!!)
United Kingdom -- 4
Netherlands -- 3
Norway -- 3
Belgium -- 2
Spain -- 2
Italy -- 2
Singapore -- 2
Each of the following has one EMF-L member each: Peru, South Africa,
Chezkoslovakia, China, Honduras, Israel, Austria, Philippine Islands,
Portugal, Australia, Taiwan, New Zealand.
One caveat on the above -- as we have had to say in the past -- it is not
always possible to identify your place of origin by your e-mail address.
Unless you tell us your location -- when you are part of one of these
big international network servers -- we may overlook you. So, if you
feel "left out," please let us know.
As far as guru is concerned ... the "name of the game" is to include the
WHOLE WORLD. We don't want to leave anyone out. We regard EMF-L as
among the pioneer efforts in how to use the internet properly and
effectively!!!
If you have some ideas as to how we could do better ... LET US KNOW!!!!
**************
Finally, here is something new which we like -- stole it from Robert Bedard's
"Waveguide" web-page. (http://www2.cruzio.com/~rbedard/WaveGuid.html/)
"Science is a hard taskmaster, and in the light of mounting evidence
that suggestions of toxicity are for the most part ultimately confirmed
by painstaking scientific inquiry, perhaps it is time to reexamine whether
scientific standards of 'proof' of causality -- and waiting for the
bodies to fall -- ought not to give away to more preventative health
policies that are satisfied by more realistic conventions and that lead to
action sooner."
.....From New England Journal Of Medicine, editorial,
April 1987.
Guru thinks this concept is particularly appropriate in light of the recent
highly publicized "study" by the National Academy Of Science.
Let's have another great year in EMF-L!!!!!! YOU HAVE A GREAT YEAR TOO!!!!!
Cheerio.......
Guru
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Hi everybody:
Guru has "revised and extended" his comments about the above subject
and placed a new message on his web-page. We have also reported on the
latest status of our group in that message. You may want to check it out
.. at: http://www.feb.se/EMF-L/EMF-L.html.
We are certainly pleased at some of the "lively" and useful subject
matter that has been included in your discussions recently. Most
surprising, to us, has been the past history you have brought to the
group about the extent of knowledge concerning "electricity and life"
that goes back for some decades.
Admittedly, much of the earlier "stuff" was on the fringes of science and
involved higher exposures than man was encountering in his normal
environment.
But as mankind proceeds to "electrify" his environment to a greater and
greater extent -- we think only a fool would say, as we are hearing from
some (most recently from a "junk" journalist on ABC this week): "Don't
worry. It is entirely safe!!
We can string all the power lines, build all the MW and RF antennas,
electrify our kitchens and offices, enshroud the planet with satellites
beaming billions of signals into our atmosphere -- all this without ANY
health consequences upon human life. Only a fool (which includes most of
the U.S. politicians of both parties) would say that in the face of what is
already known about life and EMF.
Coupling those facts with a greater awareness of the extremely delicate
balance of our life systems -- particularly the hormone and immune
systems -- we think contributes a great deal of understanding about "how"
the expanding electronic environment is "almost certain" to have health
consequences. ["Almost certain" is U.S. Government intelligence jargon
which means "The highest level of probability."]
Perhaps consequences ... even ... that we do not yet suspect are "out
there." Some of you, for example, have begun to note the "future
generations" aspects which we really cannot yet see, but we do get
occasional glimpses of that possibility. That deserves more examination in
our opinion.
Also, it is becoming clear in our mind, at least, that the EMF issue
should not be studied in isolation. The evidence of EMF/chemical (or other
environmental) interactions that have health consequences has apparently
been known for some time. That, too, deserves more examination in our
opinion.
Hope you will think on these things ... and check out guru's new web-page
message ... as we go forward together ... to SHINE THE LIGHT!!!!
Cheerio.......
Roy Beavers (EMFguru)
rbeavers@mail.llion.org
http://www.feb.se/EMF-L/EMF-L.html
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Jamie:
You are right. The Bioelectromagnetics Society (BEMS) is probably the
best source for "the horses mouth" research papers. (At the next stage --
we think Microwave News is the best. The ONLY EMF info source that is not
subsidized in one way or another by the electric industry.)
But Jamie, the cost of becoming a member of BEMS is prohibitive for us
"amateurs" who are not sponsored by an employer. Any ideas???????
P.S. Hadn't planned on this "ps" -- but I'm going to say it. The science
community is justifiably concerned about the future prospects for EMF
research funding. Do you realize -- how bad a job the science community
has done (is doing!) in making information EMF research results available to
the public????
(The ***industry*** is doing a great job for its own purposes. But that part
of the research community that is doing the actual research -- and thus
generating the basis for the most legitimate concerns -- is doing a lousy
job!!! The results are either not accessible, not "understandable"
by the general public, or too expensive.)
In the end, if this EMF matter is to get the resources needed -- it will
be because THE PUBLIC demands it!!! Believe me, those showcase hearings
in the congressional hearing rooms at which the learned and prestigious
elite of science appear to testify (and get their pictures taken with the
Congressmen) ... are not what move a Congressman to outlay more money for
your favorite research!! It's the calls from the home district that do that!
THE PUBLIC HAS THE RIGHT TO KNOW ... EVERYTHING!!!!!!
And it is very much in the interest of the future of EMF research that the
public be given the facts.... The facts which are coming out of your
research, Jamie. And a number of other courageous and pioneering people
like yourself.
My apologies for the long "P.S."
Roy Beavers (EMFguru)
rbeavers@mail.llion.org
http://www.feb.se/EMF-L/EMF-L.html
On Thu, 9 Jan 1997 jblancha@bechtel.com wrote:
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> An excellent source of peer reviewed articles on the effects of EMF can be
> found in the Bioelectromagnetics journal. You can either get your library
> to subscribe to it, or you can join the Bioelectromagnetics society. Check
> out their web page at http://biomed.ucr.edu/bems.htm
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Hi everybody:
Let's drop the amalgum issue for now. Guru says there are more important
matters for this group to address. And a number of them have been
brought up in recent weeks. (Go back and take another look at Gerrit
Teule's message about a "mechanism" theory, for example. No -- that is not
necesarrily THE theory, but it is a start. And we do believe that you
will need to understand HOW the EMF may be interacting with our bodies. ...
So that you won't be "snowed" by the physicists or electrical engineers,
for example.)
Yes ... there is a (remote) connection between the amalgum (mercury)
dental problems and EMF. Yes ... the American Dental Society is being
backword (and unscientific!!) about the amalgum problem. So, what's
new??!! That whole story is at least twenty years old.
Guru says the most important lesson to learn there is:
****Big national institutions (like the ADA or AMA or NAS/NRC or the
NCRP!!!!) are ALWAYS defenders of the status quo. REPEAT THAT: ALWAYS
DEFENDERS OF THE STATUS QUO!!!!!!
****In no way (!!!!) should they be mistaken for "scientific"
institutions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
****You simply CANNOT rely on (political) institutions of that ilk to
protect the PUBLIC interest. They are bent on protecting the interests
(read "profits") of their members. (Hope you will go to the web-page
and read agin guru's message about "Bureaucracy and the NCRP.")
Now ... what does that leave us ... to look after the public's interest???
(Everyone who said "the government" ... go to the dunce chair in the corner
.. you just failed the course.)
****WE are the protectors of the public interest. WE ... US ... YOU ... and
I ... are the protectors of the public interest. Nobody else is going to do
it!!!!
And the time to start organizing ... in YOUR community ... is now!!!
Cheerio.......
Roy Beavers (EMFguru)
rbeavers@mail.llion.org.........web-page: www.feb.se/EMF-L/EMF-L.html
...............................It is better to light a single candle ...
than to curse the darkness...............................................
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Hi everybody:
Guru asked one of our (highly qualified) scientists to comment on
Gerrit Teule's essay, "Unsafe at Any Frequency."
Think all of you (as well as Gerrit) will be interested in the
following:
Subject: Re: Unsafe at any frequency (fwd)
Roy,
I only have a few moments here, but I will be glad to give you a few
comments to pass on to the author. It is encouraging to see someone begin
to pay attention to resonance theories and it suggests a willingness to
learn. This is the important first step.
First, I prefer "biological effect" over "hazard" or "danger" -- as
scientists and engineers know, once we have an idea how something works, we
have a better chance of making it work to our advantage. Electrical
current is a hazard if we stick our fingers in the socket, but conversely
it has a beneficial effect if we instead plug a lamp into the socket. More
to the point, magnetic fields have been harnessed to promote bone growth
when nothing else works, making it possible for people to walk again. If
we had just dismissed fields -- all fields-- as harmful, we might never
know about the healing property. At the cellular level, some of the
activity involves evolutionary strategies to check out different forms --
some of these are useful and others aren't. Within a biological system
there is a tolerance for this diversity, in general, but when it gets out
of bound, there are processes within cell groups to control the
proliferation of out-of-bound processes. The important thing is that
diversity is not only tolerated, it is required in most biological systems.
Electric or magnetic fields can be good, bad, or neutral players in the
processes associated with cells, and we are not yet in a position to make
that judgement.
Second, I liked the author's use of the music metaphor, although I would
hestitate to call it a brass band intruding on a symphony. An alternate
analogy might be colors. Colors in and of themselves are not necessarily
harmful or beneficial. But they do produce different reactions in us
depending on how they are used, where they appear, etc. Without developing
this too much further, I will say that I think it is a rich area for
metaphor. The important thing to remember with EMF, as with colors, is
that we register much more than the intensity. Often the frequency is
critical. More often it is a combination of frequency, intensity, and
contextual issues such as time of day, whether the message is important to
us (we ignore some signs because they don't apply to us -- so also some
cell processes might ignore EMF whereas other processes might change
because of particular combinations of EMF), etc.
Third, I hope the author did not confuse non-linearity with chaos. A
simple definition of non-linear is that "more" of something (e.g. more mG
of magnetic field) does not imply that a measured effect will be greater.
Linear, by contrast, says that if you increase one thing you see a
proportionate change in something else. Chaos is much more complex. It
doesn't help our level of understanding to dive behind smokescreens of
topics that sound interesting but add nothing to the level of
understanding. It may be that chaos theory is involved with some EMF
interactions, but I prefer simpler explanations for the moment. They are
easier to test.
I am running out of available time, so let me just make a few more quick
comments. The body is NOT a particularly good antenna, in general. If one
were to assume reasonable conductivity of the skin, one might make the
argument that it could be a half wave antenna for wavelengths of 2-4 meters
(divide by speed of light to get rough order of magnitude of related
frequency). But I would not consider it a very good antenna.
As a final comment, please remind your group of the Bioelectromagnetics
Society (web page is http://biomed.ucr.edu/bems.htm. ) and the CRC
Reference on EMF (by Polk and Postow).
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Subject: FROM POSTAGE STAMPS TO CELL PHONES (fwd)
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Hi everybody:
The following message from missionquest is extremely interesting!
It is becoming more and more evident that the politicos were acting
(not only "in the dark" without the knowledge of their constituents,
but also) very much against the DESIRES of their constituents when
they passed that National Telecommunications Act early last year. (That
is the legislation which made the "chickens in the post office" possible.)
Now "the chickens are coming home to roost" and they are dropping 'you
know what' all over people's neighborhoods and home towns.
****Every Congressman and Senator in Washington should be sent a copy of
this message.****
Some of you will remember that -- at the time -- Cathy Bergman and guru
were "screaming and shouting" about the telecommunications legislation
which reportedly brought 2000 (repeat 2000) lobbyists to the halls of
Congress. We also alerted you to the fact that the "principal lobbyist"
of all (He "managed" the bill through.) was that guy who is always
trumpeting his "environmentalism" credentials -- the Vice President of
the United States.
That's at election time, of course!!!!!!!!
[Hypocritically ... it is hard to say how many million$$$$
his help on this legislation was worth to the Democrats in the election.
But some of you may also remember guru mentioning the BIG political
gathering in New England (perhaps it was in Connecticut) at which the
CEOs and lobbyists of the telecommunications industry met with the
President during the closing weeks of the campaign.... Pay-off time!]
Now look at those chickens...........they are s_______ all over the place!!!
Cheerio.......
Roy Beavers (EMFguru)
rbeavers@mail.llion.org.........web-page: www.feb.se/EMF-L/EMF-L.html
...............................It is better to light a single candle ...
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As the number of wireless services proliferates and companies jockey for
prime real estate on which to locate the necessary cellular antennas, many
communities, concerned with neighborhood aesthetics and potential health
hazards, are stymieing progress by denying permits. The stalemate has led
the U.S. Postal Service to sign an agreement with Texas-based Unisite,
giving it the go-ahead to erect monopoles (200-foot high towers that support
clusters of antennas) at any or all of the 11,500 U.S. post offices situated
on federal land. By using the federal land, the USPS can circumvent local
planning boards, and pocket some handy cash in the process. Depending on
the location, a monopole can garner rental fees from $300 to several
thousand dollars a month -- all of which is split 51% to 49% with Unisite.
In addition to the post office siting, look for monopoles on national park
land and other federal lands, as mandated by the Telecommunications Act of
1996. (Tele.com Jan 97 p20)
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Hi everybody:
Following three items from today's Mercury News may be of interest.
Recommend that we all "keep an eye" on the "informed consent" legal
concept -- referred-to in the first story!!
Roy Beavers (EMFguru)
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...............................It is better to light a single candle ...
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*** Eskimos seek redress for Cold War medical tests
*** Clinton accused of using White House as Motel 1600
*** New gene therapy could treat prostate cancer
*** Eskimos seek redress for Cold War medical tests (Nuremberg Code)
Native Alaskans unknowingly subjected to Cold War medical experiments
by the U.S. Air Force should be compensated, an attorney who helped
compile a report said Friday. The report said the tests violated the
international Nuremberg Code and Alaska state law by failing to obtain
subjects' informed consent. In the 1950s experiments, 121 residents of
Inupiat Eskimo and Athabascan Indian villages in northern Alaska were
given doses of radioactive iodine to examine thyroid glands and human
adaption to the cold climate. Many spoke little English and were told
the iodine was medicine. For the full text story, see
http://www.merc.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=1346842-cbf
*** Clinton accused of using White House as Motel 1600
A Republican spokesman accused President Clinton of turning the White
House into "Motel 1600," while Democratic Party Chairman Roy Romer
urged Republicans to back bipartisan efforts to reform U.S. campaign
finance laws. Romer said Clinton and Vice President Al Gore were
committed to enacting campaign finance reform legislation. Senate
Ethics Committee Chairman Mitch McConnell said, "You're the ones who
turned the White House into a 'Motel 1600,' renting out the Lincoln
bedroom. There's no evidence that Republicans engaged in that kind of
behavior." For the full text story, see
http://www.merc.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=1358768-ceb
*** New gene therapy could treat prostate cancer
Researchers have discovered a highly precise and potent way to target
prostate cancer that could lead to a new treatment that is safer and
more effective than chemotherapy, a new study reported Friday. The
treatment would work by injecting genes into the prostate that kill
the cancer cell while sparing the surrounding healthy cells, a method
the author of the study likens to a "smart bomb." "Chemotherapy can
not differentiate between the good and the bad cells," said Dr. Arie
Belldegrum, principal investigator for the study. For the full text
story, see http://www.merc.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=1342853-e79
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Hi everybody:
Kark Riley -- a good long time expert "worker" (and book author) on
EMF has recently joined. We welcome him. He will contribute a great deal.
However, before we start to retrace a lot of the same ground we covered
some time back, guru asks everyone to go to guru's web-page and read the
"EMF is NOT Simple" file which is contained there.
We think one of the most serious mistakes that MAY have been made in this
EMF "mystery" issue is the "detour" we were set off on when it was
(perhaps erroneously) concluded that the "magnetic" field (or B) is the
main culprit.
We suggest that it is important to keep our mind open for the whole range of
possible relevant signals (transients, harmonics, ground currents, etc.)
AND -- in particular -- keep in mind the possible role of the ELECTRIC
field as its effect was reported in the 1996 Ontario Hydro (U. of
Toronto) study headed by Dr. Tony Miller.
Also, there seems to be good reason to suspect possible combinations of
activity between EMF/EMR and some chemicals. Also, there are other factors
which should not be ignored -- the frequency of the signal and the earth's
natural field and the orientation of the two. The possibility/probability
that EMF is more of a "promoter" rather than a catalyst also is important
here.
We do not claim to have totally exhausted the list of "possible
other" factors here, either. Frankly, guru believes that when the final
chapter is written to this story (Which he does not expect to be here to
see.) it will be found that there are MANY different manifestations of
biological activity by which EMF/EMR can interact with the human body.....
The bottom line -- that is "proving" we "have a problem" -- is the
growing library of epidemiological studies that tend more and more to
confirm each other as more of them are completed!!!!!! After all ... that
was the most important contribution coming out of that NAS/NRC study ...
which had to be misrepresented to the public by its presenters in order for
them to serve their industry masters.
Some of the above is discussed in the reference file "EMF is NOT Simple."
Please look at it again before we pursue any argument too far that may
have already been covered.....
Still ... Karl's message below is a good piece of info......
Cheerio.............
Roy Beavers (EMFguru)
rbeavers@mail.llion.org.........web-page: www.feb.se/EMF-L/EMF-L.html
...............................It is better to light a single candle ...
than to curse the darkness...............................................
On Tue, 25 Feb 1997 kriley3@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> The main fallacy in the argument that increasing power use should go
> hand in hand with increasing cancer if magnetic fields are a cause
> lies in the assumption that increasing electric power use is an
> indicator of increasing magnetic field levels in occupied areas. As an
> EMF consultant who measures magnetic fields in residences, schools and
> commercial buildings I can verify that the magnetic field level in a
> building has nothing to do with how much power is being used but is a
> function of how many and what type of wiring errors have been made in
> the building. Internal wiring error is the main producer of elevated
> magnetic fields in buildings, even when including power lines as
> sources. As far as power lines go, increasing power often goes with
> stepped up voltage in the transmission lines. This cuts the current
> down and actually decreases the magnetic field. The arrangement of
> conductors in distribution lines also determines the field as much as
> the load being carried. In more recent decades more lines have been
> buried, thus reducing fields due to the compact conductor spacing
> which cancels magnetic fields. The highest magnetic fields in
> residences are seen in older buildings built from the 40s back, in
> which knob and tube wiring caused extremely high fields due to
> conductors being spaced a foot or more apart in each circuit.
>
> So there is no data I know of which ties increased national power
> production with higher individual magnetic field exposure, even though
> this may be true in individual cases as well as for computer users of
> the older monitors which produced higher fields. In general, the older
> buildings I survey tend to have higher magnetic field levels. Karl
> Riley, ELF Magnetic Surveys.
>
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Hi everybody:
Upon reflection, guru wishes to change a part of his earlier
commentary when he was commenting about Karl (spelled right this
time) Riley's submission. Please note the following which more
correctly reflects what we believe is true.
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[snip-snip]
The bottom line -- that is "proving" we "have a problem" -- is the
growing library of epidemiological studies that tend more and more to
confirm each other as more of them are completed!!!!!! After all ... that
was the most important contribution coming out of that NAS/NRC study ...
which had to be misrepresented to the public by its presenters in order for
them to serve their industry masters.
--------------------
It is not correct for guru to have used the expression "industry masters."
It might be interpreted to suggest a conscious or deliberate action on
the part of an honorable group of men and women.
Guru does not believe that there was any ***deliberate or conscious***
effort on the part of the NAS/NRC study group ... to so construe the
presentation of their results as not to offend industry.
Habit is a powerful force. And it is often an UNCONSCIOUS force. We
believe that the 'habit' of construing scientific results in such a way as to
not offend the industry "masters" who "pay the bills" of most research
in this country is the more accurate description of what is actually
occurring.
The real problem is that we simply no longer have a scientific community
that 'can be' INDEPENDENT of those who are paying the cost of the research.
Research, itself, is a fairly costly activity. Most of it is too costly
for it to be undertaken "out of pocket" of the researcher's own funds. No
scientist today can afford to 'offend' the hand that pays his research costs.
Even universities, today, are pretty much out of the business of funding
their own independent research programs.
The change began to happen during World War II -- that is when the American
scientific community came under the sway of a "BIG government" which was
paying all the bills. If "normal" peace had returned following the war,
the process might have "righted" itself thereafter. Universities, for
example, would likely have resumed there role of assuring an
'independent' scientific community.
But the Cold War followed upon WWII and, instead, the universities, too,
found themselves becoming "part of the system" -- a system of BIG
government AND BIG industry financing and "steering" the scientific
process. A system where universities, also, sacrificed their
independence and objectivity in the competition to curry the favor of
those who were paying the research bills and issuing the big research
grants.
In such a system, naturally, BIG government and BIG industry exact their
toll in what results come out ... and how they are construed. Honorable
men and women become victims of that system.
In our BIG government/BIG industry "world of science" today ... it is now a
habit.........***To provide results that will support the policy.***
We see it occurring time and time again when a "crisis of confidence"
in 'science' is raised to challenge some major BIG government/Big industry
vested interest: the Agent Orange situation, the exposure of our troops to
chemical or biological agents in the Gulf War, the "Star Wars" debate.
There are many good examples. Science reacts -- at least initially --
to support and protect the vested interest of its "masters." ... ***To
provide results that will support the policy.***
(Guru saw this process "first hand" as a member of the Arms Control
community during the SALT I strategic arms negotiations. The intelligence
community [of which guru was a part] was perhaps even worse than the science
community. But both became "collaborators." They did not do so
consciously. Perhaps they could not have avoided it. But that is the
process that unfolds under such a system.)
That is the kind of relationship guru was trying to describe in his
previous remarks. He failed because he said it too quickly ... with too
much shorthand. It conveyed an implied meaning that was not intended.
Perhaps all of this is something we should be addressing in our discussions
also?????
Cheerio.............
Roy Beavers (EMFguru)
rbeavers@mail.llion.org.........web-page: www.feb.se/EMF-L/EMF-L.html
..............................It is better to light a single candle ...
than to curse the darkness...............................................
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Hi everybody:
We are forwarding another news article which reports on the ***fast
changing*** legal scene where tobacco is concerned.
We have been asked: "What does the legal situation vis-a-vis tobacco
have to do with EMF?" The answer is -- everything!
Every sentence in the following article could be read with the same
impact and meaning to apply to the health hazards created by EMF ...
but which are being ignored, dissembled, lied about or generally viewed
through "rose colored glasses" by the electric/telecommunications
industries.
But the electric/telecommunications industries don't HAVE to play the
game tobacco has always played! They perhaps still have a window of
opportunity to get "on the side of" their customers -- the public --
and start working HONESTLY toward a set of laws, rules, guidelines that
HONESTLY acknowledge the risks which NOW they are trying to shoulder
totally onto the public (particularly onto property owners).
>From their perspective, the EMF picture is not "rosey." At best it is a
rather dark shade of gray. And when that is better understood by the
public it is likely to turn into the same DARK scenario you see described
below.....
P.S. Also: you might want to take another look at guru#4-96 on the
web-site (Tobacco/EMF)....
Cheerio....
Roy Beavers (EMFguru)
rbeavers@mail.llion.org.........web-page: www.feb.se/EMF-L/EMF-L.html
...............................It is better to light a single candle ...
than to curse the darkness...............................................
---------------------------
>From internet USAToday of March 17, 1997.....
---------------------------
Florida tobacco law survives high court test
WASHINGTON - A Florida law that makes it easier for the state to sue
tobacco companies for Medicaid money spent to treat smoking-related
illnesses survived a Supreme Court challenge Monday.
The court, without comment, turned down industry arguments that the
law unfairly seeks to "stack the deck" against tobacco companies.
Florida is one of about 20 states that have sued tobacco companies in
attempts to get reimbursed for Medicaid funds spent to treat smokers.
Florida's claim is aided by a 1994 state law intended to help the
state recover money from anyone believed responsible for a Medicaid
patient's illness.
The law was aimed at the tobacco industry, according to those who
challenged it in court - including cigarette maker Philip Morris and
Associated Industries of Florida, a business group.
The state law, believed to be the only one of its kind in the nation,
lets officials combine into one lawsuit thousands of Medicaid patients
suffering from tobacco-related health problems. It also lets the state
use statistics to try to prove tobacco was to blame for some of the
problems. [NOTE that last statement!...guru]
The challenged law also bars companies from defending themselves by
arguing that a Medicaid patient shares the blame for his or her own
illness - by smoking, for example. Companies can raise that defense if
sued by the patients themselves.
The Florida Supreme Court upheld those provisions in June 1996. But
the state court threw out a provision that would have let Florida sue
without identifying the people whose treatment costs it seeks to
recover.
The state court also said Florida could only recover tax money it has
spent since the law has been on the books.
The state's lawyers said Medicaid costs attributed to smoking totaled
$1.4 billion in Florida from 1990 to 1995.
A trial for Florida's lawsuit is scheduled to start Aug. 4 in West
Palm Beach. The trial judge already has allowed racketeering counts,
which could triple whatever damages might be awarded if the state wins
the case. [NOTE that last statement!....guru]
In the appeal acted on Monday, lawyers for Philip Morris and
Associated Industries called the measure "a classic example of bad law
adopted to attack a group of unpopular defendants."
The law violates the constitutional right of due process by giving the
state rights an ordinary plaintiff would not have, the appeal said.
The state's lawyers replied that the law is a reasonable effort to
force tobacco companies and others to pay the social cost of their
behavior. ["Social cost" -- an important 'new' concept in the law...
...guru]
The case is Associated Industries of Florida vs. Agency for Health
Care Administration, 96-915.
By The Associated Press
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Hi everybody:
Can't help but believe that the latest developments in the tobacco
court cases are also good news for the future development of EMF
health hazard cases. Be sure you read the following attached news
story in today's USA TODAY.
ALSO!!! Yesterday guru was in court hearing an appellate case in Missouri.
The property owner of property "near" but not abutting a transmission line
right-of-way had appealed to the Missouri Appellate Court to require a
lower court to allow the property owner to sue the power company for damages
caused by the EMF field of the nearby transmission line. Two issues were
obviously in the mind of the appellate court (three judges): (1) the
role, if any, of the Missouri Public Service Commission which regulates
rates but not right-of-way distances (nor can the Commission award any
damages), and (2) whether evidence of EMF property damage is admissible
in such case. (The lower court had refused to admit such evidence.)
Watch for the outcome of this one!!!
Cheerio......
Roy Beavers (EMFguru)
rbeavers@mail.llion.org.........web-page: www.feb.se/EMF-L/EMF-L.html
...............................It is better to light a single candle ...
than to curse the darkness...............................................
NEWS ITEM from USA TODAY, March 20, 1997, .....internet edition.....
Firm admits tobacco addictive
The smallest of the five major tobacco companies dealt a major blow to
the industry Thursday, admitting that cigarettes are addictive and
cause cancer, and that tobacco is actively marketed to minors.
The historic confession by Liggett Group Inc., makers of Chesterfield,
L&M and Lark cigarettes, is part of an agreement to settle lawsuits by
22 states seeking to recoup Medicaid costs of treating smokers.
Liggett also agreed to turn over to state judges secret documents that
Arizona Attorney General Grant Woods says will provide "evidence of
crimes and fraud on the part of the tobacco industry." Liggett
employees will be free to testify against other companies.
"This will bring the tobacco industry to its knees," says Mike Moore,
Mississippi attorney general who filed the first state lawsuit in
1994. His case comes to trial June 2. He called the documents "the
most incriminating ever in the history of tobacco litigation."
In making the settlement, Liggett broke ranks with Philip Morris, R.J.
Reynolds, Brown & Williamson and Lorillard.
Philip Morris, the largest cigarette maker, vowed to "continue to
defend vigorously against the meritless lawsuits."
The companies also issued a joint statement saying they suspect
Liggett chief executive Bennett LeBow of "brokering this deal in a
desperate attempt to force one of the other cigarette manufacturers to
take over his financially troubled and failing tobacco interests."
The four companies obtained a temporary restraining order Thursday
from a North Carolina state court to stop Liggett and LeBow from
turning over the documents.
Woods says the attorneys general have not seen the documents, but they
have been turned over to the state judges who will determine whether
they can be used in court.
The papers are potentially devastating to the industry.
They could be used by the Justice Department in its criminal
investigation into allegations of fraud, perjury and conspiracy by the
tobacco industry stemming from company executives' testimony before
Congress in 1994, says Cliff Douglas, a co-counsel in Mississippi's
lawsuit. The executives swore nicotine was not addictive.
And, he says, the settlement will bolster efforts by the Food and Drug
Administration to regulate tobacco and keep it out of the hands of
minors.
Also in the settlement, Liggett agreed to place warnings on its
products and in ads stating that tobacco is addictive, and will pay
$25 million and 25% of pre-tax profits for 25 years to states to cover
tobacco-related health care costs.
Tobacco stocks fell as news of the settlement spread. Philip Morris
fell $6.125 to $115.875.
By Anita Manning, USA TODAY
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Hi everybody:
Forwarding the following message again to make sure that everyone "gets
the word" ... and because we have had at least six "new joiners" since
it was posted....
If you want to read one commentary about the Durham Symposium which guru
will be attending, go to:
http://www.ortho.lsumc.edu/Faculty/Marino/Predictable.html
Dr. Marino holds a rather "jaundiced" view of the prospects for the
meeting we think, but he is a respected member of the community who does
not "belong to" industry or the government. His comments should be read!
Guru admits to being a bit more hopeful at the moment. Possibly because of
yesterdays's court hearing at which (for the first time) we heard three
appellate judges speak about the issue who seemed to be very conversant
with "the game" industry is playing.....They were not "taken in" at all...
Also, guru knows from personal experience that the system has the capability
to "right itself." Money cannot forever buy false "truths" for public con-
sumption; and the government cannot indefinately ignore its larger public
constituency......Look at what is happening in the tobacco industry!!!!
We think EMF will NOT have to wait so long for justice......
We will forward again some of the messages referred-to above ... for the
benefit of the new people who will now experience about eight DARK-EMF-L
days during guru's absence....
Cheerio all....if anybody else is to be at Durham, please come up and
introduce yourself....I'll buy you a drink......
Roy Beavers (EMFguru)
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...............................It is better to light a single candle ...
than to curse the darkness...............................................
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Hi everybody:
Just a reminder.....Guru will be traveling for eight days starting
Saturday, March 22nd....Leaving early that morning, so it is likely
that we will be unable to "reflect" any of your messages after about
10 p.m. (CST-U.S.) Friday evening.
Guru will be attending the EMF RAPID Symposium at Durham, N.C. which is
being managed by NIEHS (National Institute of Health and Environmental
Health Sciences). The symposium is scheduled for 3 1/2 days starting Monday
morning thru noon on Thursday. After that, before returning to the Ozarks,
guru will be visiting some "old friends" in Washington, D.C.
A large package of advance info about the meeting has been received and
it appears that a lot of good work (and thought) has been put into the
planning for the meeting. We see listed in the discussion groups virtually
all of the key researchers who have been working so hard on this matter
for so many years. This first meeting is designed to concentrate on --
"Theoretical Mechanisms and 'In Vitro' Research Findings."
This, of course, is to be purely a science affair -- no "politics". The
ultimate purpose of this meeting (and others to follow) is to prepare a
report summarizing the findings of the RAPID sponsored research effort.
However, it appears that all other research (including non-U.S.) is open to
consideration (when relevant) as well.
Assuming that no legitimate knowledge is "out of bounds," we think the
quality of the results will be determined by the degree to which
"objectivity" is achieved and maintained -- i.e., avoiding any "tilt"
to protect vested interests (on either side!)......
Cheerio.......
Roy Beavers (EMFguru)
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..............................It is better to light a single candle ...
than to curse the darkness...............................................
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From: "Roy L. Beavers"
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Subject: Re: Tobacco/EMF...Growing Relevance (fwd)
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Hans:
Thank you for your very nice message (below). Our goal in emf-l is
to do just what you say we are doing (below). We will keep doing the
best we can to SHINE THE LIGHT on the EMF issue ... no-one else
(certainly not our governments) seem to be willing to do so!!
Yes ... guru is back!! And bearing much information from the Durham
meeting -- which (we'll say right now) was rather well handled ... by
NIEHS (National Institute of Environmental Health Science).
Will be reporting on that meeting in separate messages.
Also!!!! You ask about the court ruling from that court hearing which
guru had attended just before leaving Missouri.........
The Appellate Court decision has been received and we regard it as
VERY FAVORABLE!!!!
Want to take some more time in a separate message to report that too!
At this time ... we will simply say that the Missouri court TOTALLY
rejected the California approach!!! Implicitly ... that was the main
issue here ... would Missouri follow California and rule that EMF
property damage cases belong in the (regulatory) Public Service Commission
jurisdiction???? ....Nope!!!!!!!! ......The power company is going to
have to answer for its actions before a jury of twelve citizens!!!!!!
(Rather than the "friendly" Public Service Commission.)
Cheerio ..... (to all!!!)......
Roy Beavers (EMFguru)
rbeavers@mail.llion.org.........web-page: www.feb.se/EMF-L/EMF-L.html
...............................It is better to light a single candle ...
than to curse the darkness...............................................
On Sun, 30 Mar 1997, Hans Karow wrote:
> Roy L. Beavers wrote:
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 06:36:31 -0600 (CST)
> > From: Roy L. Beavers
> > To: Multiple recipients of list
> > Subject: Tobacco/EMF...Growing Relevance
> >
> > Hi everybody:
> >
> > Can't help but believe that the latest developments in the tobacco
> > court cases are also good news for the future development of EMF
> > health hazard cases. Be sure you read the following attached news
> > story in today's USA TODAY.
>
> snip..
>
> Dear Roy ( GURU)
>
> 1. This subject is veeeeeery interesting and important(!!!), please
> update the news as soon as possible.
> 2. Hope you had a good time at the convention, any good news?
> 3. I want to express again my appreciation for this/your subscription
> website. Without I would never ever have learned so much!(I am still, and
> will always!)
> 4. Last not least : A very merry and heartful Eastern to you! I hope
> you'll find some Easter eggs, and I am sure, you 'll notice some more
> candlles around the globe! We all together can do it!
>
> I get back to you after Eastern regarding an important issue re EMF/EMR!
>
> Like you always greet: Cheerio! Hans.
>
>
> PS.: Please keep me/us updated about that case too!
> > ALSO!!! Yesterday guru was in court hearing an appellate case in Missouri.
> > The property owner of property "near" but not abutting a transmission line
> > right-of-way had appealed to the Missouri Appellate Court to require a
> > lower court to allow the property owner to sue the power company for damage
s
> > caused by the EMF field of the nearby transmission line. snip
> PPS: West Kootenay Power's public hearing re 138 kV transmission lines
> has been postponed several times, now it will be maybe in the middle of
> April! We are prepared! Hans.
>
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